NASCAR and Jesse Jackson

Lindaloo · #1 Postby **Lindaloo** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 10:08 am

A few years back, Jesse Jackson targeted Nascar publically by wanting to know why they did not have any African American drivers or fans. Or why Nascar was not trying to gain more African American fans. He basically claimed that sport was "racist" How typical.

I heard that Nascar gives six figure donations to Jesse Jackson and will not give us a reason why and what it is for. We all know that Jesse Jackson backs these war protestors. But I believe it could be something else.

I believe Nascar is paying off Jesse Jackson to not trash the sport about African Americans. Because I have not heard anything publically denouncing them since.

My suspicions were confirmed on Bill O"Reilly last night when he said that Fox contacted Nascar about the donations and they merely said "No Comment" If these were legitimate funds and not a pay off, why did that Nascar official say no comment.

My opinion is that if there are good African American drivers that have good sponsors then they would certainly be in the sport. They should not target Nascar to MAKE them have the drivers there or call them racist because of it. Nascar should have stood its ground on this issue and not tried to pay Jackson off. Just goes to show you that Jackson can be bought.

j · #2 Postby j » Fri Apr 18, 2003 10:23 am

wtg Linda.....I saw Bill last night...one of his best shows yet.

Jesse Jackson (and NASCAR) had better watch their step, as O'reilly has shown in the past....you can't hide from the truth, and the truth is Jesse Jackson is a liar and an immoral person. He and his Rainbow coalition are corrupt. The truth is coming out. Now...if we can just get his followers to open their eyes.

southerngale · #3 Postby **southerngale** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:37 am

I am astonished Jackson still has followers. I don't know anyone who has anything positive to say about him.

j · #4 Postby j » Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:52 am

southerngale....I know...its truly amazing. I suspect in some of the lower reaches of SC, he can find him some loyal supporters.....but where I am, in the Upstate, I have never heard a kind word sent in the Reverand Jackson's direction. The man is useless to his "cause", especially since his shady past has been revealed. All I know is that if he has supporters around me, they are ashamed to admit it publicly.

Steve H. · #5 Postby **Steve H.** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 12:13 pm

Unfortunately he's the African-American equivalent of a "good 'ole boy." (No pun intended.) And its time for all the "Good 'ole Boy" networks to fold. We should exile him and slick Willy to France

We can send Hilary to Deuschland :wink:

JQ Public · #6 Postby **JQ Public** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 2:25 pm

boycott nascar?

j · #7 Postby j » Fri Apr 18, 2003 2:34 pm

JQ Public wrote:boycott nascar?

sure..why not..boycotting is a powerful tool and costs nothing. Of course I could care less about NASCAR so I'm in!

sunny shine · #8 Postby **sunny shine** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 2:40 pm

I love Nascar, but if this is true about them paying off Jesse Jackson then they are no better than what Jesse stands for right? If they are funding some of his non profit organizations then it has to be for all these war protests that he is leading. On the other hand, if he is receiving pay offs to keep quiet then what does that say for the black man he claims to represent? I am with Lindaloo on this too.... Nascar should have stood their ground.

JQ Public · #9 Postby **JQ Public** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 2:43 pm

lol i was just being silly about the boycott thing...but i guess we should figure out why the money is going to jackson. maybe they were donating it to a foundation thru him? or was it a settlement type of thing?

sunny shine · #10 Postby **sunny shine** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 2:45 pm

It is merely pure speculation at this point and time. But the fact that they offered a "no comment" to Fox leads us to believe there are some serious questions to be raised and answered by Nascar.

JetMaxx · #11 Postby **JetMaxx** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 5:06 pm

This story bothers me for several reasons...

Number one, you don't even want to know what I think of Jesse Jackson...and it's personal. A few years ago, his rainbow coalition tried to force Douglas County to publicly change the man this county was named after from Stephen A. Douglas to Fredrick Douglass.

My great great grandparents and other relatives were alive in 1870 when portions of Campbell and Fulton counties were divided and Douglas county was created....they knew it was named after Stephen Douglas, and so do I.

Why does Nascar need to pay off anyone? I don't watch Nascar because there are no African American drivers....in fact, I wish they were. I watch and enjoy golf BECAUSE of Tiger Woods...he is a pleasure to watch. I watched basketball BECAUSE of Michael Jordan (and I'm not even a basketball fan).

If Nascar is indeed paying off the rainbow coalition to prevent protests and inhibit African American drivers/teams...it's an insult to me and every single Winston Cup and Grand National racing fan, driver, owner, crew member, etc that believes in everyone being treated equal--judged on their ability and not their skin color...and I happen to believe that's 99% of them.

It's almost as if Nascar is saying "uh-oh...get a few black drivers, and there go the (rednecks; racists) fans out the gate, or turning off the tube. Why would white Alabama or Georgia racing fans lose their love for the sport because of African American drivers? White college football fans enjoy their teams and their athletes...and could care less what color they are.

I hope I'm wrong, but if O'Reilly's right, my respect for Mike Helton just fell through the floor...as does my respect for all of Nascar's governing board. This is 2003...not 1946. Surely we've gotten past the point of needing a Jackie Robinson or Tiger Woods to catapult acceptance of black athletes into a given sport....at least I hope so.

One of my greatest heroes is the late Walter Payton. I was very honored and privileged to meet Walter and his brother Eddie when I lived in Mississippi (Eddie Payton lived at Whisper Lake Country Club in Madison...where Becky and Dave also lived). Walter wasn't just a hall of fame running back--he also loved racing, and all forms of motorsports. If his life hadn't sadly been cut short by liver cancer, Walter was planning to sponsor a Nascar team.

I'd have been a fan of WHOEVER the driver was just because Walter was the team owner. Just as Coach Joe Gibbs, Walter Payton was a man of honor.

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Perry

#12 Postby **pojo** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 5:13 pm

well said perry!

It takes time for african americans to delve into sports that they like. This doesn't happen over night.

Stormsfury · #13 Postby **Stormsfury** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 5:27 pm

Oh, boy, Jesse Jackson... :roll:

First of all, I won't even say what I feel about Jesse Jackson on a personal level ...

Second ... "racism" is the worst form of hate I can think of, and should be ended ... But unfortunately, IMO, Jesse Jackson's tyrates only serve to keep "racism" alive by his segregated (sp?) remarks and speeches.

Why in the hell should it even matter what color an athlete's skin is, especially nowadays. When I watch sports to see "athletes" perform at their sport, it's for the game/sport ... irregardless of what one's skin color is....I could care less... I watch because of an "athlete's" accomplishments.

Perry makes a great point with a great post.

IMO, the only reason that Jesse Jackson has "any" supporters in South Carolina is because of the "Confederate Flag" issue at the SC State House.
And I won't even start with the NAACP "boycott SC BS until the Confederate flag is gone"...

The Last time I checked this is supposed to be the "UNITED" States of America.

ColdFront77 · #14 Postby **ColdFront77** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 6:17 pm

There are finally only a few black hockey players in the NHL now.

Lindaloo · #15 Postby **Lindaloo** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 6:33 pm

Thanks Jetmaxx... I knew someone would turn this into a racist topic. That was not the intention whatsoever. I hardly doubt that Nascar feels that the "rednecks and racists" would leave the sport. Is that what you believe the sport consists of? If so, you are wrong in your assumptions. There was one black Winston Cup driver named Wendall Scott. He drove well and did very well. There are black drivers in other divisions of the circuit as well and also do quite well. But to hijack this thread and turn it into something based on the rednecks and racists of the Nascar sport is purely an opinion that lacks solid proof. :roll:

First you say you do not watch the sport and then turn around to say as a fan you feel slapped in the face. :lol:

Which is why if this actually happened? Nascar should have stood it's ground. In this society we live in today, people need to earn the right to participate in every sport. They should not have to put a driver in there just because he is black, because in the sport of racing you can get hurt or killed easily. Those black drivers in other circuits will move to the big boys as soon as they are ready, just like all the white boys had to do, including Wendall Scott and Dale Earnhardt.

And mentioning the Confederate Flag... sorry but that flag was hijacked as well by racist groups.

JetMaxx · #16 Postby **JetMaxx** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:22 pm

Lindaloo...I said IF it were true (what Bill O'Reilly said). That makes a huge difference. I honestly don't know the motivations of Nascar for giving money to Jesse Jackson's group. I also have no evidence that Nascar attempts to hinder black drivers from entering the sport....I was only speculating (and yes, I'm well aware of Wendell Scott).

Mike Helton seems to be a good honorable man, and I sincerely hope he is. I'm very sorry for an offense taken by anyone on the board. I am definitely not an authority on Nascar policies.

Sincerely,
Perry

#17 Postby **streetsoldier** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:25 pm

I'm no NASCAR devotee; I have much better ways to spend my weekends. Ditto for "pro wrestling", Monster Truck rallies, etc.

But for the likes of the "REV-rund JACK-sun" to extort money from the NASCAR people to "shut him up" borders on the criminal...I believe the RICO law fits nicely here, although the hue-and-cry from the "bleeding hearts" would fill the courts for decades.

BTW, April 26 is Confederate Memorial Day, and, as every year, I will be flying my "Orphan Brigade" colors alongside "Old Glory", and the devil be hanged. So, THERE.

Lindaloo · #18 Postby **Lindaloo** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 9:26 pm

THANK YOU Bill!! You got the point I was trying to get at. THANK YOU!
:lol:

Bill said it right.

I believe that is exactly what has happened, and unfortunately Nascar is caught up in his criminal activity. Hopefully this time Jackson will be caught with his pants down again. (no pun intended) well.... not really. :wink:

Yes Confederate Day is right around the bend. I have mine on the front of my vehicle, although that is not an unusual thing in the South.

Stormsfury · #19 Postby **Stormsfury** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 10:10 pm

I hope my earlier post did not offend anyone ... I made a point the wrong way in agreeing about the Jesse Jackson/NASCAR issue with "hush money"... so I hope I didn't push any wrong buttons ...

(Just a combination of things going on made me stray off-topic).

#20 Postby **streetsoldier** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 10:20 pm

As to the lack of black NHL players; if you were in that minority group, how would YOU like to see a bunch of big, white guys chasing you, wearing masks and carrying big sticks? :o

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