Tropical Atlantic is warm considering time of year

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Tropical Atlantic is warm considering time of year

#1 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:51 pm

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Those anomalys and surface temps are warming east of the lesser antilles especially south of 15.0n latitud and it's not summer yet.Imagine when the hot months arrive hurricane speaking.But as we know the ssts factor is not the only one to look at when hurricane season arrives but is a fuel for tropical disturbances moving from the African Coast.

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Re: Tropical Atlantic is warm considering time of year

#2 Postby P.K. » Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:57 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Those anomalys and surface temps are warming east of the lesser antilles especially south of 15.0n latitud and it's not summer yet.Imagine when the hot months arrive hurricane speaking.


Isn't this partly due to the oceans being in the warm part of their cycle though? How do the anomalies compare to last year at the end of Jan?
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Re: Tropical Atlantic is warm considering time of year

#3 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:09 pm

P.K. wrote:
cycloneye wrote:
Those anomalys and surface temps are warming east of the lesser antilles especially south of 15.0n latitud and it's not summer yet.Imagine when the hot months arrive hurricane speaking.


Isn't this partly due to the oceans being in the warm part of their cycle though? How do the anomalies compare to last year at the end of Jan?


Yes the Atlantic Thermoline Circulation has been there since 1995.I lost all the archieves I had when my PC burned so I also want to see last years temps.
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#5 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:33 pm



Thanks P.K.It looks a little less warm last year at January 31 than this year comparing images.
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#6 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:40 pm

they've been above normal for the past several years

maybe the mean needs to be re-examined
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#7 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:08 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:they've been above normal for the past several years

maybe the mean needs to be re-examined


Interesting about the anomalies, but I think Derek has a good point.
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#8 Postby donsutherland1 » Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:42 pm

The December 2004 Tropical North Atlantic Index (TNA) was the highest on record for December at +0.75. FWIW, there were four previous years when the TNA came to +0.50 or above in December and 3/4 had above normal tropical activity in the following hurricane season:

Names Storms:
1953: 14
1963: 9
1988: 12
2002: 12

Average: 11.75
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#9 Postby cycloneye » Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:03 pm

Those stats Don says that the Tropical Atlantic mean area will be very warm comming the peak of the season which means that all who live in the islands will have to look eastward many times looking for tropical activity. :eek:
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#10 Postby canegrl04 » Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:55 am

Uh oh.Looks like hurricane season 2005 is going to rocknroll like last year :eek:
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#11 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:18 pm

2002 is considered to be a <b>BELOW</b> normal year as we had very few hurricane days and only 4 hurricanes. Also, the named storm days was also quite small as many of the storms either made landfall or dissipated immediately after becomming storms
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#12 Postby donsutherland1 » Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:08 pm

Fair point, Derek. I was focusing the single criterion of named storms.
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#13 Postby HurricaneBill » Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:54 pm

Is 1990 considered below average or above average?

Although there were 14 named storms and 8 hurricanes, only one (Hurricane Gustav) became a major hurricane.
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#14 Postby MWatkins » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:16 am

Derek Ortt wrote:they've been above normal for the past several years

maybe the mean needs to be re-examined


IMHO I don't think this is the issue. No question at all that research shows that we are in a period of enhanced Atlantic SST's compared to the 70's, 80's and early 90's. If anything I would think that some consideration should be given to our improved ability to estimate SST's compared to the technology available 20 years ago.

If there is any doubt about warm SST's...one only needs to compare TC/hurricane activity between the two periods (last 10 years vs. 70's, 80's an early 90's).

I doubt the means are skewed. We're in the heart of a multi-decadal cycle and it's showing up in the data.

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