Anomolous Hurricanes And Geometric Eyes. Ivan'04, Isabel'03

[Mezocyclone]

In all my years of watching Hurricanes and their development I have been amazed by the Eye and the Effects, to include the Eye Wall and the energy that is gernerated. As our technology increases, to evaluate and photograph these monsters from Space, more and more questions are raised with repect to some of the most powerful storms to develop over the last couple of years.

The following site shows formations that were either previously kept secret or unseen in previous years prior to these amazing Hurricanes.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm

[Mezocyclone]

Aren't there any thoughts on this view and the anomolous shapes that have ocurred within the eye of our most powerful storms? These are not fabricated pictures my friends,, Just what do ya'll propose to be the cause?

[cycloneye]

Wow very awesome pics of the eye of those canes which show some mini vortexes.Very interesting information at link thanks for sharing it.

[kevin]

Silly pseudo-science babble.

If you think its real, you should wait for hurricane season and put it up again. Because then there will be experts who will tell you exactly why not only is that pseudo-science in its wording and structure, but filled with wrong information.

[Mezocyclone]

Muchimas Gracias Amigo, There is an amazing contrast to a Cat5 Hurricane and an above status when the winds exceed 155mph or even when they approach 200mph. Something is happening inside the eye of the storm that is not explained in many texts, perhaps because it may not be yet understood. Straight lines do not usually ocurr naturally and to see such anomolies in the choas of a Hurricanes eye is bizzare. I am amazed in thought at the prospect that we may see more of these Mega-Storms in the near future..

[Mezocyclone]

Silly pseudo-science babble.

If you think its real, you should wait for hurricane season and put it up again. Because then there will be experts who will tell you exactly why not only is that pseudo-science in its wording and structure, but filled with wrong information.

Ok Mr. Scientist, Toss your explaination this way, satelite images don't lie. Lets take a look at Hurricane Gilbert and the development of a double eye wall as that storm spun into something that few Meteorologists had ever seen in this lifetime. I suggest that you reevaluate the methods that you view our changing weather upon.

[kevin]

I believe in a method of inquiry which is falsifiable and methodical. I am a Mr. Scientist because I engage in the scientific method as my main way of figuring things out.

"There are hyperdimensional access portals to the flipity floo" makes no effect on me.

Everyone on this board saw those satellite images. We have many meteorologists here. Those new age hippies who put together the quack website are nothing. There were serious questions asked about what was happening, and serious scientific answers put forward by the mets.

That website doesn't even bother to define their terms, nevertheless they spout about dimensions and global warming, and toss a lot of filler like that Tortuga incident where an entire island was assumed to be under water. They say 'Oh wow, a hurricane in the south atlantic, proof!' but proof of what, demonstration of what, connection to what?

Even when using hard facts and reasoning correlation does not automatically mean causation. I can't argue scientifically against something that does not even attempt to view the problem in realist terms. Mysticism is safe from doubt because it does not view things skeptically.

[Derek Ortt]

those features are mesovorticies (well resolved by aircraft radar), which are very commin in these powerful hurricanes and may be what causes the streaks of damage

[MWatkins]

Is there a full moon tonight?

Until a few years ago visible satellite imagery could not properly resolve this type of thing...I am sure it has happened bafore but without rapid scan and very hi-res imagery it would have gone unnoticed.

As Derek notes...these are meso-voriticies (first suggested by Dr Fujita after looking at clockwise damage patterns after hurricane Andrew). Although the pentagon-shape is impressive...the shape itself is not realy even there...the human mind "sees" a pentagon because of the position of the vorticies in the otherwise round eye.

Although there is...no doubt...a huge aount of energy involved to create these things...they are not some multi-deminsional mirror-universe hocus-pocus deal. These things happen and are eaisly modeled from what we already know about these storms.

Whomever wrote this article may actually be on to something when noting (if true...I don't follow astronomy as much as I should) the similarity to some things observed in space...we know that hurricanes take on the exact same spiral we see in galaxies for example...but to suggest that this transends our "known" universe is hogwash.

We've already seen somebody else try to pull off using big words to support a scientifically unsupportable position tonight....this article follows along that genre.

MW

[Derecho]

The following site shows formations that were either previously kept secret or unseen in previous years prior to these amazing Hurricanes.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm

Hoagland (Hoaxland) is a known kook.

[Derecho]

Lets take a look at Hurricane Gilbert and the development of a double eye wall as that storm spun into something that few Meteorologists had ever seen in this lifetime.

Double eye walls are routine. Gilbert actually had three. The process by which multiple eyewalls form is fairly well understood and can be replicated in computer simulations of hurricanes.

There are innumerable papers on that; if you were inclined to go to the trouble to read the PDFs of the thousands of legitmate scientific papers on the net rather than merely going to a kook site.

[Mezocyclone]

Ok Mr. Right,, Derecho, show me what a Triple EyeWall looks like,, Date/Time and Name,,,

[Mezocyclone]

Derecho, since you seem to be so in touch with your form of truth, what would you think about this idea and those who have their head stuffed up their nether region?? Could this be you??
http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/allegory.html

[kevin]

Oh my you think you are clever. Derecho is the man, fear his rebuttal.

[OuterBanker]

It's amazing the time and research spent on this hogwash. And the time I spent reading it. I think that Dr. Hoagland must be on the new antifreeze and tofu diet. I am glad that Isabel wasn't in that shape as it passed over the Outer Banks though.

[Blown Away]

How wide was the eye of Isabel & Ivan when they were
at Cat 5 strength?

[Scorpion]

Isabel's eye was at least 40 NM I think, while Ivan's was quite smaller.

[jeff]

I did an extensive research project on meso-vorts in hurricane eyewalls mainly focusing on Andrew and the workings of eyewall dynamics.

Vorticity stretching by intense updrafts and downdrafts seem to be the main cause and match well with radar data and recon reports of violent supercells within the eyewall. The surface results are streaky damage patterns caused by "mini swirls" much like those observed with Andrew in S FL.

If anybody would like a copy of my paper PM me with your e-mail address.

Jeff L