Grrrr....Very Dangerous Precedent...and Tuesday's Show

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Grrrr....Very Dangerous Precedent...and Tuesday's Show

#1 Postby MWatkins » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:52 am

If this bogus lawsuit wins out (and I highly doubt it will) it sets a VERY dangerous precedent that would have ramifications for forecasters and people around the world...including...I believe...places like Storm2K and our radio show:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... lawsuit_dc

NOAA isn't even RESPONSIBLE for that part of the world...how can US forecasters all of a sudden be responsible for what happens elsewhere?

Looks like we will be spending a LOT of time on this issue tomorrow night.

And...as if that isn't contentious enough...Jan rooth (you know him here as x-y-no) will be joining us to discuss Global warming.

Please stop by tomorrow night starting at 8:30. We also have some guests to announce...one of which is in the poll I posted on the site yesterday...

MW

For streams and other info...you can go to...
http://www.talkintropics.com

I will have the message board link up tonight...just ran out of time over the weekend...
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#2 Postby P.K. » Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:12 pm

They didn't even know the earthquake was strong enough to produce a tsunami until after it had hit so that is just stupid.......

Maybe the plan to fine meteorologists in Russia who get the forecast wrong wasn't as much of an isolated incident as I first though. :roll:
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#3 Postby HurricaneBill » Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:44 pm

I hate to say it but:

America: Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
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#4 Postby Stormsfury » Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:56 pm

First of all, IMHO, it isn't the responsibility of a forecaster to predict an earthquake/tsunami in the first place ... Earthquakes are handled by Geological Offices ...and in such are responsible for tsunami warnings ... even so, the earthquake occurred so close to land, that there wasn't any real time to foresee such an event in the first place ...

The amount of lawsuits for such things have gotten extremely out of hand ...

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#5 Postby depotoo » Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:31 pm

sue happy lawyers - that's all i can say! sheeesh!
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What a waste of time and money!

#6 Postby NC George » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:42 am

You can't sue the government unless they agree to be sued. You can't sue a foriegn government in our courts. So this lawyer is wasting the time of our courts, because they are going to throw this thing out the first time it comes before a judge.
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#7 Postby depotoo » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:55 am

interesting discussion about that last night mike! :D
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Re: What a waste of time and money!

#8 Postby Lindaloo » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:26 am

NC George wrote:You can't sue the government unless they agree to be sued. You can't sue a foriegn government in our courts. So this lawyer is wasting the time of our courts, because they are going to throw this thing out the first time it comes before a judge.



Yes they can.

In 1976 Congress enacted the landmark Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act opening the doors of US federal courts to suits by private individuals against foreign governments. In the decades following, over 3000 cases have been brought and the instances of new case are increasing as the US becomes more integrated into the world economy and foreign governments are behaving more like private entitles.
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#9 Postby P.K. » Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:27 am

depotoo wrote:interesting discussion about that last night mike! :D


Indeed.

Some good guests coming up soon. :D 8-)
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#10 Postby Downdraft » Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:29 pm

First off, you cannot forecast an earthquake. Secondly, you cannot forecast a tsunami from an earthquake although there is reasonable suspicion that an earthquake of such force would generate one. There is no seismic/tsunami detection equipment in the Indian ocean like we currently have in the Pacific. It is NOT the responsibility of the U.S. Government by treaty or anything else to warn nations in the path of such an event of it's occurrence although we did do everything in our power to accomplish that. As for suing a hotel chain for not having that equipment the idea defies logic. Should every hotel on every coast have it's own detection equipment? Correct me if I am wrong but such acts are considered "acts of God." I think the next time we have a hurricane here I'm going to sue every forecaster that gets the path wrong. I'm sure some bottom feeding lawyer would be happy to file the suits. When the big one starts off the coast of Africa and hits Florida with 50 foot waves I think I'll sue Jeb Bush for not warning me when I moved here. Lawyers that file lawsuits like this should be taken out and shot. I'm still waiting to hear from some liberal idiot that global warming causes tsunamis too, after all Dan Rather did allude to it already. :grrr:
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Re: Balderdash

#11 Postby Lindaloo » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:31 pm

Downdraft wrote:First off, you cannot forecast an earthquake. Secondly, you cannot forecast a tsunami from an earthquake although there is reasonable suspicion that an earthquake of such force would generate one. There is no seismic/tsunami detection equipment in the Indian ocean like we currently have in the Pacific. It is NOT the responsibility of the U.S. Government by treaty or anything else to warn nations in the path of such an event of it's occurrence although we did do everything in our power to accomplish that. As for suing a hotel chain for not having that equipment the idea defies logic. Should every hotel on every coast have it's own detection equipment? Correct me if I am wrong but such acts are considered "acts of God." I think the next time we have a hurricane here I'm going to sue every forecaster that gets the path wrong. I'm sure some bottom feeding lawyer would be happy to file the suits. When the big one starts off the coast of Africa and hits Florida with 50 foot waves I think I'll sue Jeb Bush for not warning me when I moved here. Lawyers that file lawsuits like this should be taken out and shot. I'm still waiting to hear from some liberal idiot that global warming causes tsunamis too, after all Dan Rather did allude to it already. :grrr:



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#12 Postby HouTXmetro » Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:28 am

First of all this is a bogus lawsuit and it should be thrown out! I fully expect that it will be. But If you really think people should be SHOT AND TAKEN OUT I suggest you (and the applauding choir) go live under Kim Jong Ill and you might get your wish.
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#13 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:30 am

HouTXmetro wrote:First of all this is a bogus lawsuit and it should be thrown out! I fully expect that it will be. But If you really think people should be SHOT AND TAKEN OUT I suggest you (and the applauding choir) go live under Kim Jong Ill and you might get your wish.


What DOES THIS have to do with the lawsuit? Not a thing. Please keep your political view in the proper forum.
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#14 Postby Stephanie » Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:22 pm

I think that he was pointing out the comment that Downdraft said about sue happy lawyers being taken outside and shot. He also made the comment about "some liberal idiot" making global warming claims, so Downdraft kind of started the political trend first.

HOWEVER, as Lindaloo said, any political viewpoints should be kept in the Political Forum.
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