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TT-SEA wrote:W13... if you had precipitation last night you would not have been so cold. It got colder because the skies CLEARED out. That picture of your deck is not too exciting!! A damp deck in April... wow. Nothing personal... but there was nothing in that picture.
Did I ever say anything about having precipitation last night? NO. In fact it wasn't until after 9:00 AM today that we had any precipitation. The temperature was 35 F at the time and started as a Rain/Snow Mix. And on the picture, you cannot see it clearly because for one I was down on my hands and knees and not holding the camera still, so most of it was sort of blurry, and two being that almost 15 minutes had passed when I took that picture, it had rained on top of the slushy snow and the air temperature has melted a majority of it. All you could see were very small areas with a thin layer of slush on it.
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Wow, it is VERY windy out here on the East Hill of Kent. I just got back from the store where the wind must have been blowing at least 30 mph, probably even more than that. The lights were flickering in the house when we got home, too.
The Millenium ES Weather Station just went out a few minutes ago (most likely to the high winds), so I cannot get current weather data. The thermometer in my backyard says 41-42F.
While at the store, we had some ice pellets and a minute or two of very heavy rain. We just missed what snow_wizzard got though, because the storm clouds to any direction were very dark.
The Millenium ES Weather Station just went out a few minutes ago (most likely to the high winds), so I cannot get current weather data. The thermometer in my backyard says 41-42F.
While at the store, we had some ice pellets and a minute or two of very heavy rain. We just missed what snow_wizzard got though, because the storm clouds to any direction were very dark.
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TT...You are being utterly ridiculous to suggest there is nothing unusual about this pattern. Today's temperature average is frickin 9 degrees below normal. 9 degrees! Boeing Field had a low of 33 this monring. I can't wait to see how long it's been since they have been that cold this late! This could one of the three coldest Aprils in 25 years. If that is not unusual, I guess nothing is. You have got to open your mind. Good grief!!!! You are going to look silly when next winter is severe and you have kept denying every piece of evidence I put forth. You have no way of knowing I'm wrong until it happens. You are unbelieveable!
Anyway...the Covington temps today were 49 - 31...daily average 40. I will have to check how long it's been since I have recorded anything that cold this lat in the season.
Anyway...the Covington temps today were 49 - 31...daily average 40. I will have to check how long it's been since I have recorded anything that cold this lat in the season.
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W13 - you thought it might get below freezing with wet snow last night. That was not going to happen!! Below freezing was only going to happen with clear skies.
R-Dub just proved my point. This pattern has occurred 13 out of 15 years in April according to his records.
This is a NORMAL spring-time pattern.
The 12Z run of the GFS also supports my belief that the pattern will become progressively warmer and drier beginning next week. As the days go by... this will become more clear to all of you.
R-Dub just proved my point. This pattern has occurred 13 out of 15 years in April according to his records.
This is a NORMAL spring-time pattern.
The 12Z run of the GFS also supports my belief that the pattern will become progressively warmer and drier beginning next week. As the days go by... this will become more clear to all of you.
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"Average" is just the blend of below normal and above normal days during the period of record.
Today is below normal but it happens almost every April and in almost every month. That does not make it unusual.
That should be such a simple concept for someone who watches weather so closely. But obviously not.
No month has perfectly normal temperatures throughout.
Today is below normal but it happens almost every April and in almost every month. That does not make it unusual.
That should be such a simple concept for someone who watches weather so closely. But obviously not.
No month has perfectly normal temperatures throughout.
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SHORT TERM FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
322 PM PDT TUE APR 12 2005
WAZ003-006-122321-
EVERETT AND VICINITY-NORTHERN CASCADE FOOTHILLS-
322 PM PDT TUE APR 12 2005
.NOW..
AT 320 PM A LINE OF THUNDERSTORMS EXTENDING FROM MONROE UP ACROSS
LAKE STEVENS TO NEAR ARLINGTON WAS PRODUCING HEAVY RAIN AND SMALL
HAIL NEAR A QUARTER INCH. THIS LINE OF STORMS WILL CONTINUE MOVING
NORTHEAST AND WILL REACH A LINE ABOUT 15 MILES NORTHEAST OF ARLINGTON
DOWN TO GRANITE FALLS AND GOLD BAR BY 4 PM.
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NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
322 PM PDT TUE APR 12 2005
WAZ003-006-122321-
EVERETT AND VICINITY-NORTHERN CASCADE FOOTHILLS-
322 PM PDT TUE APR 12 2005
.NOW..
AT 320 PM A LINE OF THUNDERSTORMS EXTENDING FROM MONROE UP ACROSS
LAKE STEVENS TO NEAR ARLINGTON WAS PRODUCING HEAVY RAIN AND SMALL
HAIL NEAR A QUARTER INCH. THIS LINE OF STORMS WILL CONTINUE MOVING
NORTHEAST AND WILL REACH A LINE ABOUT 15 MILES NORTHEAST OF ARLINGTON
DOWN TO GRANITE FALLS AND GOLD BAR BY 4 PM.
$$
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Some VERY active weather today...driving from Eugene, OR to Mukilteo, WA was quite a trip!!
Looking at latest satellite pics, an unusually strong trough is located off the PNW coast. Although it can happen sometimes during the month of April, this is NOT usual...I think TT-SEA is overdoing his statement that it happens almost every April. Afternoon high temperatures in the mid 40s is NOT typical for this time of year. It's down right COLD outside!!
As for the extended, a vigorous cold front passes through this weekend and then we might be in for some improvement as the active jet stream becomes less progressive and shifts north. I think it's time for some warmer/sunnier weather...this weather is RIDICULOUS for the middle of April.
Anthony
Looking at latest satellite pics, an unusually strong trough is located off the PNW coast. Although it can happen sometimes during the month of April, this is NOT usual...I think TT-SEA is overdoing his statement that it happens almost every April. Afternoon high temperatures in the mid 40s is NOT typical for this time of year. It's down right COLD outside!!
As for the extended, a vigorous cold front passes through this weekend and then we might be in for some improvement as the active jet stream becomes less progressive and shifts north. I think it's time for some warmer/sunnier weather...this weather is RIDICULOUS for the middle of April.
Anthony
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My comment that this happens almost every April is not my OPINION it is FACT.
It may suck to have this weather in April... especially after endless sunny days and having already hit 70 degrees in many places during the last part of winter.
But it DOES happen quite often in April.
R-Dub has records to indicate that 13 out of 15 months of April were similar to this one since 1991. The last two were warmer so maybe you have forgotten!!!!
Highs in the upper 40's with scattered showers (adding up to a few hundredths of an inch of rain) and some hail/ice pellets mixed in. BIG DEAL.
Take out the personal opinions over what is good and what is bad weather.
Spring is a volatile time with periods of warmth and sun and periods of cold weather with convection. We had lots of dry weather earlier... now we have wet and cold. We have reached a balance.
Expect a return to drier and warmer in about one week.
It may suck to have this weather in April... especially after endless sunny days and having already hit 70 degrees in many places during the last part of winter.
But it DOES happen quite often in April.
R-Dub has records to indicate that 13 out of 15 months of April were similar to this one since 1991. The last two were warmer so maybe you have forgotten!!!!
Highs in the upper 40's with scattered showers (adding up to a few hundredths of an inch of rain) and some hail/ice pellets mixed in. BIG DEAL.
Take out the personal opinions over what is good and what is bad weather.
Spring is a volatile time with periods of warmth and sun and periods of cold weather with convection. We had lots of dry weather earlier... now we have wet and cold. We have reached a balance.
Expect a return to drier and warmer in about one week.
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TT-SEA,
You keep reiterating that this is "normal" weather for April. Factually, this is incorrect. High temperatures in the middle 40s with heavy rain is NOT normal for the middle of April. I'm not saying troughs can't affect the region in April, but to say it's normal is crazy and NOT FACTUAL. High temperatures in the middle 50s with mostly cloudy conditions is probably "normal" for this time of year.
I do agree that by the middle of next week, the weather should improve.
Anthony
You keep reiterating that this is "normal" weather for April. Factually, this is incorrect. High temperatures in the middle 40s with heavy rain is NOT normal for the middle of April. I'm not saying troughs can't affect the region in April, but to say it's normal is crazy and NOT FACTUAL. High temperatures in the middle 50s with mostly cloudy conditions is probably "normal" for this time of year.
I do agree that by the middle of next week, the weather should improve.
Anthony
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Weather Report... by Weather Spotter, Andy Cottle
Place of Location: Molbaks Nursey in Woodinville
Time of Day: 2:48pm to about 3pm.
Weather Event: Ice pellet shower W/moderate rain, Gusty winds to near 25mph, thunder, and slight rotation in the clouds.
Good evening all. A fairly active rain squall came through Woodinville late this afternoon that included some pretty gusty winds and a short lived ice pellet shower. Not only did I observe thoes conditions, but also heard a moderately loud rumbel of thunder at 2:48pm, though I did not see any lightning. And the other interesting event that occured during this squall was some slight rotation in the very dark and ominus storm clouds that lasted for maybe close to 5min. Thought maybe there was going too be a funnel cloud droping out of the clouds, but I did not see one....or any funnel clouds for that matter.
I also called the Seattle NWS to report it and let them know about the weather situtaion when I was on my lunch break, which was at 3pm. When I asked them if they saw any rotation in the clouds, they said no and that it was mainly reports of ice pellet showers being called in. Was also told that the storm looked pretty dark as it moved acrossed Lake Washington and that was some heavy rain that just moved through my area.
So...a fairly active afternoon!
Place of Location: Molbaks Nursey in Woodinville
Time of Day: 2:48pm to about 3pm.
Weather Event: Ice pellet shower W/moderate rain, Gusty winds to near 25mph, thunder, and slight rotation in the clouds.
Good evening all. A fairly active rain squall came through Woodinville late this afternoon that included some pretty gusty winds and a short lived ice pellet shower. Not only did I observe thoes conditions, but also heard a moderately loud rumbel of thunder at 2:48pm, though I did not see any lightning. And the other interesting event that occured during this squall was some slight rotation in the very dark and ominus storm clouds that lasted for maybe close to 5min. Thought maybe there was going too be a funnel cloud droping out of the clouds, but I did not see one....or any funnel clouds for that matter.
I also called the Seattle NWS to report it and let them know about the weather situtaion when I was on my lunch break, which was at 3pm. When I asked them if they saw any rotation in the clouds, they said no and that it was mainly reports of ice pellet showers being called in. Was also told that the storm looked pretty dark as it moved acrossed Lake Washington and that was some heavy rain that just moved through my area.
So...a fairly active afternoon!
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Thank GOD FOR ANTHONY... I don't think TT would believe anyone... Thankyou Anthony for saying all that you said about this not being normal. I think you are the only one that MAYBE, JUST MAYBE can knock some sense into TT's head.
And actually TT, it didn't get clear here last night... It got down to 33* with heavy, SLUSHY snow and it hung around that all night until about 5 this morning when it hit 32*...
And TT, you said you want SETS of DATA? DATA isn't something you want to argue with snowwizz about, he will overload you with statistical data supporting his theory that what we have been experiencing this spring and late last winter is good in terms on next year.
And I also hear you talking about the averages... Yes the weather almost 100% of the time finds a way to even itself out, like you were saying... But just because it is evening itself out from the dry winter doesn't just mean things are getting back to normal... The sequence of averaging things out is unusual this year in that we are seeing colder and more active weather in the second half of march/ and april than what we saw in Februray/first half of March... And R-dub didn't really post any facts... All he said was that we get 1 rain and snow mix day and a couple days of freezing temperatures. Now as you said it, that happens with a clear night. But that can happen on any clear night with offshore flow. This happened with a COLD, MOIST airmass, not offshore flow and high temperatures in the 50's or low 60's... This trough is WAY TOO cold in April to say it is anything normal.. As soon as Snowwizz saw this trough on the GFS about 10 days ago he jumped right on it and said, "if this plays out, it could be one of the coldest troughs in April in decades"... Now he has kept records i believe since the early 70's, and to hear him jump on something like this that far ahead, i think he has some factual background to support whatever he believes... He is not all about emotion when it comes to weather. Simply about stating the possibilities and predicting what is most likely... Sure he goes out on a limb and says what is possible, that doesn't mean that what he is saying possible is his prediction. I think TT is totally misunderstanding Snowwizz for what he says is possible and is assuming that is what Snowwizz Expects... If snowwizzard says we could possibly get 6 inches of snow.. >That doesn't mean he is expecting that much, its just a possibility... I have been talking to him long enough now that i can tell what is a bold prediction and stating a possibility... TT you are letting Snowwizz's knowledge and factual background of information go in one ear and slide right out the other... keep an open mind and stop being so hung up on yourself. When you are wrong, you twist things around to make it look like you were never wrong... Like saying that the weather was boring overall in yesturday... It wasn't until after we critisized you for saying it was boring that you said NORTH OF EVERETT was exciting...
R-dub, it's cool that you want sunny weather, it will come soon enough. I think after this entire pattern shifts from cold and wet to whatever, i want it to be warm and sunny too. But that could be in a week like TT says, or it could be another 2 weeks or so.. We'll just have to wait and see.
Anthony, I like what you said in your last few posts... It was clear and made good points...
And actually TT, it didn't get clear here last night... It got down to 33* with heavy, SLUSHY snow and it hung around that all night until about 5 this morning when it hit 32*...
And TT, you said you want SETS of DATA? DATA isn't something you want to argue with snowwizz about, he will overload you with statistical data supporting his theory that what we have been experiencing this spring and late last winter is good in terms on next year.
And I also hear you talking about the averages... Yes the weather almost 100% of the time finds a way to even itself out, like you were saying... But just because it is evening itself out from the dry winter doesn't just mean things are getting back to normal... The sequence of averaging things out is unusual this year in that we are seeing colder and more active weather in the second half of march/ and april than what we saw in Februray/first half of March... And R-dub didn't really post any facts... All he said was that we get 1 rain and snow mix day and a couple days of freezing temperatures. Now as you said it, that happens with a clear night. But that can happen on any clear night with offshore flow. This happened with a COLD, MOIST airmass, not offshore flow and high temperatures in the 50's or low 60's... This trough is WAY TOO cold in April to say it is anything normal.. As soon as Snowwizz saw this trough on the GFS about 10 days ago he jumped right on it and said, "if this plays out, it could be one of the coldest troughs in April in decades"... Now he has kept records i believe since the early 70's, and to hear him jump on something like this that far ahead, i think he has some factual background to support whatever he believes... He is not all about emotion when it comes to weather. Simply about stating the possibilities and predicting what is most likely... Sure he goes out on a limb and says what is possible, that doesn't mean that what he is saying possible is his prediction. I think TT is totally misunderstanding Snowwizz for what he says is possible and is assuming that is what Snowwizz Expects... If snowwizzard says we could possibly get 6 inches of snow.. >That doesn't mean he is expecting that much, its just a possibility... I have been talking to him long enough now that i can tell what is a bold prediction and stating a possibility... TT you are letting Snowwizz's knowledge and factual background of information go in one ear and slide right out the other... keep an open mind and stop being so hung up on yourself. When you are wrong, you twist things around to make it look like you were never wrong... Like saying that the weather was boring overall in yesturday... It wasn't until after we critisized you for saying it was boring that you said NORTH OF EVERETT was exciting...
R-dub, it's cool that you want sunny weather, it will come soon enough. I think after this entire pattern shifts from cold and wet to whatever, i want it to be warm and sunny too. But that could be in a week like TT says, or it could be another 2 weeks or so.. We'll just have to wait and see.
Anthony, I like what you said in your last few posts... It was clear and made good points...
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Wrong again Anthony.
Like I said... today was well BELOW normal. That is a fact.
Almost every April has days BELOW normal. That is a fact.
So its NOT unusual to have this very spring-like pattern in SPRING. How can you say something that happens almost every year in April is unusual????
Below normal... yes. Typical spring weather... yes.
Very low rainfall totals today and very little snow in the mountains. Outside of a few rumbles of thunder this is pretty tame!!
Like I said... today was well BELOW normal. That is a fact.
Almost every April has days BELOW normal. That is a fact.
So its NOT unusual to have this very spring-like pattern in SPRING. How can you say something that happens almost every year in April is unusual????
Below normal... yes. Typical spring weather... yes.
Very low rainfall totals today and very little snow in the mountains. Outside of a few rumbles of thunder this is pretty tame!!
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Recent April weather history...
4/6/98 - Sea-Tac had a low of 34 degrees. A general period of cool wet weather during the first 10 days of April that year.
4/6/99 - Sea-Tac had a low of 34 degrees
4/19/99 - Sea-Tac had a high of 49 degrees
4/24/00 - Sea-Tac had a low of 35 degrees.
4/6/01 - 4/15/01 - Every day for 9 days in a row had lows in the 30's. Many days of wet, cool weather. 4/10/01 had a high of 44 degrees!!!!!
4/15/02 - Sea-Tac had a high of 48 degrees and low of 39 degrees.
4/16/02 - Sea-Tac had a high of 47 degrees and a low of 39 degrees.
4/26/02 - Sea-Tac had a high of 49 degrees.
TODAY WAS THE FIRST DAY IN APRIL WITH A HIGH LOWER THAN 50 DEGREES. THE OFFICIAL HIGH WAS 49 DEGREES THE LOW WAS 36 DEGREES. MOST DAYS IN APRIL HAVE BEEN 1-2 DEGREES BELOW NORMAL. TWO DAYS OUT OF THE FIRST 12 WERE ABOVE NORMAL.
THIS IS NOT EXCPEPTIONAL AT ALL. NOT AT ALL.
4/6/98 - Sea-Tac had a low of 34 degrees. A general period of cool wet weather during the first 10 days of April that year.
4/6/99 - Sea-Tac had a low of 34 degrees
4/19/99 - Sea-Tac had a high of 49 degrees
4/24/00 - Sea-Tac had a low of 35 degrees.
4/6/01 - 4/15/01 - Every day for 9 days in a row had lows in the 30's. Many days of wet, cool weather. 4/10/01 had a high of 44 degrees!!!!!
4/15/02 - Sea-Tac had a high of 48 degrees and low of 39 degrees.
4/16/02 - Sea-Tac had a high of 47 degrees and a low of 39 degrees.
4/26/02 - Sea-Tac had a high of 49 degrees.
TODAY WAS THE FIRST DAY IN APRIL WITH A HIGH LOWER THAN 50 DEGREES. THE OFFICIAL HIGH WAS 49 DEGREES THE LOW WAS 36 DEGREES. MOST DAYS IN APRIL HAVE BEEN 1-2 DEGREES BELOW NORMAL. TWO DAYS OUT OF THE FIRST 12 WERE ABOVE NORMAL.
THIS IS NOT EXCPEPTIONAL AT ALL. NOT AT ALL.
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A little tid bit from this Afternoons AFD...
AVIATION...VIGOROUS SHOWER ACTIVITY WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE UP TOWARD SEA-TAC THROUGH ABOUT 6 PM FOLLOWED BY AN EARLY EVENING LULL WITH FEWER SHOWERS. THUNDERSTORMS ARE ENTIRELY POSSIBLE...BUT THE CHANCE AT ANY ONE SPOT REMAINS LOW ENOUGH TO PRECLUDE MENTION IN THE SEA-TAC TAF. AFTER THE EARLY EVENING LULL...SATELLITE INDICATES ANOTHER AREA OF ENHANCED SHOWER (AND POSSIBLY THUNDERSTORM) ACTIVITY WILL MOVE IN ABOUT 9 PM AND LAST THROUGH THE NIGHT. HANER
....Hmmm, Looks like I could possibly be calling up the Seattle NWS again tonight as T-Storms may continue through the night. -- Andy
AVIATION...VIGOROUS SHOWER ACTIVITY WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE UP TOWARD SEA-TAC THROUGH ABOUT 6 PM FOLLOWED BY AN EARLY EVENING LULL WITH FEWER SHOWERS. THUNDERSTORMS ARE ENTIRELY POSSIBLE...BUT THE CHANCE AT ANY ONE SPOT REMAINS LOW ENOUGH TO PRECLUDE MENTION IN THE SEA-TAC TAF. AFTER THE EARLY EVENING LULL...SATELLITE INDICATES ANOTHER AREA OF ENHANCED SHOWER (AND POSSIBLY THUNDERSTORM) ACTIVITY WILL MOVE IN ABOUT 9 PM AND LAST THROUGH THE NIGHT. HANER
....Hmmm, Looks like I could possibly be calling up the Seattle NWS again tonight as T-Storms may continue through the night. -- Andy
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