Crossover names: do they keep same Pacific name?

[LarryWx]

1) If a named Pacific system were able to cross into the Carribean or G.O.M. as a still intact TS+, would it retain the original Pacific name or would it be given a new Atlantic basin name?

2) a) If a named Pacific system were able to cross into the Carribean or G.O.M. but only as a TD (or less), would it retain the original Pacific name or would it be changed to an unnamed TD?

2 b) If that TD were to then regenerate into a TS once in the Atlantic basin, would it then be given an Atlantic basin name or would it keep its Pacific name?

3) Are any of these current naming rules new?

[Derecho]

All of the rules are long standing and have been used before...

Everything that crosses in either direction ATL-PAC or PAC-ATL gets a completely new name or designation.

[Derek Ortt]

derecho,

the rules were changed after 1996 Cesar/Douglass; however, have not had to be implemented since then

[LarryWx]

All of the rules are long standing and have been used before...

Everything that crosses in either direction ATL-PAC or PAC-ATL gets a completely new name or designation.

Thanks Derecho. I thought I had seen a post on this BB about the name Adrian being retained no matter what, which seemed strange to me. So, I was starting to wonder if the naming rules had recently been changed to retain the original name. Someone had just emailed me this question. Before replying, I wanted to make sure of the correct answer.

[LarryWx]

derecho,

the rules were changed after 1996 Cesar/Douglass; however, have not had to be implemented since then

Derek/Derecho,

Obviously now I'm confused since I'm getting two opposite answers. I would appreciate answers to these three questions since they cover different situations:

1) If a named Pacific system were able to cross into the Carribean or G.O.M. as a still intact TS+, would it retain the original Pacific name or would it be given a new Atlantic basin name?

2) a) If a named Pacific system were able to cross into the Carribean or G.O.M. but only as a TD (or less), would it retain the original Pacific name or would it be changed to an unnamed TD?

2 b) If that TD were to then regenerate into a TS once in the Atlantic basin, would it then be given an Atlantic basin name or would it keep its Pacific name?

Thanks in advance.

[Derek Ortt]

under the rules used in 2001, if the system remains in tact, it keeps its origional name. If it dissipates and reforms, it gets a new name

[LarryWx]

under the rules used in 2001, if the system remains in tact, it keeps its origional name. If it dissipates and reforms, it gets a new name

Derek,
Thanks again. However, I'm still confused about my question 2 (a and b). As we know, a named storm in the Atlantic that weakens to a TD keeps its name instead of reverting to a number. If Adrian were to survive the crossover but only as a TD once in the Atlantic, would it actually become nameless (TD #1 in this case) until if and when it were able to restrengthen onto a TS and then pick up the Atlantic name or would it retain Adrian if it emerges as only a TD?

In other words, when you say "If it dissipates and reforms, it gets a new name", do you include weakening to a TD upon crossover as "dissipation", meaning the dropping of Adrian for good?

[x-y-no]

On last night's show, Jaime Rhome said something like as long as there's something left to track, it keeps the same name.

[LarryWx]

On last night's show, Jaime Rhome said something like as long as there's something left to track, it keeps the same name.

Thank xy. So, this tells me that if it emerges on the Atlantic basin side as a TD, it will be called TD Adrian. I'm going to assume this to definitely be the new rule unless anyone else responds later with a different opinion.

So, there could actually be two "A" storms in the Atlantic basin or two of any letter for that matter. Weird. Anyone happen to know why they changed the rule?

Thanks Derecho, Derek, and x-y-no for your help.

[Brent]

It would work just like any storm that moves over land, weakens to a depression and then moves back over water would.

The circulation MUST remain intact though for it to keep the same name from basin-to-basin.

I think Iris? in 1995 got the rules changed(it crossed from the Atlantic to EPAC)... how I do not know.

[LarryWx]

It would work just like any storm that moves over land, weakens to a depression and then moves back over water would.

The circulation MUST remain intact though for it to keep the same name from basin-to-basin.

I think Iris? in 1995 got the rules changed(it crossed from the Atlantic to EPAC)... how I do not know.

Thanks Brent. Derek did say that 1996's Cesar/Douglass was the last crosover name change.

[Brent]

Maybe so... it was sometime around then. I can barely remember that crossover.

[Brent]

Yep...

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/1996cesar.html

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/1996douglas.html

[LarryWx]

You know, I'm now wondering if the rule change could possibly have been made in conjunction with the NHC taking over the EPAC. Does anyone know when the NHC took over the EPAC? Or have they had it for a long time?

[Brent]

You know, I'm now wondering if the rule change could possibly have been made in conjunction with the NHC taking over the EPAC. Does anyone know when the NHC took over the EPAC? Or have they had it for a long time?

Who issued advisories for the EPAC before then?? That one in Hawaii?

[Derek Ortt]

the epac had their own center until 1988 in San Fransisco, but the rule change was not made until after 1996

[LarryWx]

the epac had their own center until 1988 in San Fransisco, but the rule change was not made until after 1996

Thanks. I kind of thought Hawaii may have had the EPAC for at least a few years. Perhaps they did during that 1988+ transition period?

[wx247]

Wow... am I confused!!!

So you are saying that potentially the Atlantic could see two A storms??

[LarryWx]

Wow... am I confused!!!

So you are saying that potentially the Atlantic could see two A storms??

Well, based on the new no name change rule mentioned here, that would seem possible. However, I suppose there may also be a rule that the next Atlantic storm would go right to the Atlantic "B" name, thus meaning no use of the Atlantic "A" name this season. I don't have a definite answer on this.

[Hyperstorm]

The Atlantic will continue to use its original list of names, REGARDLESS of what happens with Adrian. It DOESN'T matter if the A storm Adrian re-develops in the Atlantic Basin because one thing doesn't have to do with the other....that is, the Atlantic will borrow the name Adrian for a while (if it regenerates with its original LLC), but it will NOT be an Atlantic storm...it will be a Pacific storm because of its origin being in the Pacific.

It will be the first time in history that the Atlantic will be using 2 "A" names since the policy was changed a few years ago...