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RECON CANCELLED

#1 Postby drezee » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:40 am

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NOUS42 KNHC 141330
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
0930 AM EDT TUE 14 JUN 2005
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 15/1100Z TO 16/1100Z MAY 2005
TCPOD NUMBER.....05-018

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.
3. REMARKS: INVEST SCHEDULED FOR 14/2000Z IN THE
CENTRAL CARIBBEAN CANCELED BY NHC AT 14/1100Z.
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#2 Postby jabber » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:43 am

I guess the NHC is not so bullish on the system anymore...
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#3 Postby Thunder44 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:44 am

They cancelled at 7am, I think that was too early. They must not think it will develop anymore, since no other flights are scheduled.
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#4 Postby chadtm80 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:49 am

There is just no need to go out right now.. That dosent mean there not still interested in it.. I can assure you they are.
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#5 Postby Brent » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:52 am

I think it's mainly because it's clear there's not an LLC, it's involved with a trough(negative) and it looks worse than it did when they scheduled the flight.
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#6 Postby Thunder44 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:59 am

chadtm80 wrote:There is just no need to go out right now.. That dosent mean there not still interested in it.. I can assure you they are.


Usually what I would expect, when they cancel the flight for the current day, they would schedule one for the next day, if they still believed that it had serious chance of developing, but just not today. Not to say they aren't interested in it all. We'll just have to wait to see what they say about in the next TWO.
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#7 Postby dixiebreeze » Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:54 am

The flight will soon be reinstated, considering how the system has burst this morning.
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#8 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:57 am

that was a bizzare cancellation, unless surface pressures have started to rise in the area
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#9 Postby Thunder44 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:20 am

Here's your answer Derek:

Tropical Weather Outlook


Statement as of 11:30 am EDT on June 14, 2005


For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico...
Cloudiness and showers continue over the central Caribbean Sea in
association with a broad surface trough of low pressure. Data from
recently installed NOAA buoy 42058 indicate that while surface
pressures remain low in the area...there are no signs of a surface
circulation. The Air Force Reserve reconnaissance mission into the
system today has been cancelled based on this information. Upper
level winds remain unfavorable and development of this system...if
any...should be slow to occur.
Tropical storm formation is not expected through Wednesday.
Forecaster Knabb/Franklin


So thanks to buoy 42058 we don't need to waste taxpayers money on a flight down there, or in the next couple days. By the way, Buoy 42058 is now showing rising pressure but the winds have turned to North and NW again.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42058
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#10 Postby Anonymous » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:24 am

Thunder44 wrote:Here's your answer Derek:



So thanks to buoy 42058 we don't need to waste taxpayers money on a flight down there, or in the next couple days. By the way, Buoy 42058 is now showing rising pressure but the winds have turned to North and NW again.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42058


True but dont pressures normally rise in most places in the morning--and fall into the afternoon? Is the pressure lower than it was 24 hours ago
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#11 Postby Scott_inVA » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:46 am

Derek Ortt wrote:that was a bizzare cancellation, unless surface pressures have started to rise in the area


Contrasting off shore data from 02Z and 15Z, MSLPs appear flat or up slightly.

I suspect with ground truth now in place RECCO will be less knee-jerk in the area. Probably a good thing.

Scott
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#12 Postby Swimdude » Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:44 am

I still think it's strange that they cancelled. The NHC tends, from what i've seen, to 'go anyway' when a system like this has potential. Hmmm...

Convection has built even in the last 2 hours. [10 a.m. - Noon CT.]

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#13 Postby senorpepr » Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:04 pm

Actually, this doesn't surprise me at all. I was expecting them to cancel the mission. The system doesn't look all that well at all and there's no need in wasting our tax dollars on a recon mission that will be next to useless.
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#14 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:01 pm

That is why NOAA put those new bouys in the western caribbean to have more surface observations and because of the new tools recon does not have to go unless it is clear there is a LLC in the area with the bouy and ship observations data being collected.
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#15 Postby CFL » Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:23 pm

When I looked at it a couple of hours ago it looked to me all the cloud tops were blowing off to the northeast. Looks like a hostile environment.
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#16 Postby george_r_1961 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:36 pm

In my early morning forecast I dropped chances of development in that area...for now.
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