Cindy looks to have 2 centers.....AGAIN

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Cindy looks to have 2 centers.....AGAIN

#1 Postby skysummit » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:46 pm

Look at radar and sat and compare them. Radar shows a center almost due south of Grand Isle moving to the NNE. Then Satellite shows another center SSW of Houma/Terrebonne Parish. It looks like she's split in too again.

Anyone else see this?
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#2 Postby PurdueWx80 » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:48 pm

I see one circulation center - if that outer band contracts a bit more we're gonna have a hurricane before landfall.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p ... klix.shtml
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#3 Postby loon » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:49 pm

It looks strange, for sure....

Question, on the floater, I check the MSLP(4) box, which shows pressures and I believe isobars(?), first, what is MSLP (something something something pressure, I'm guessing) and second, it looks like there is a high pressure (1016) running right through the middle of Cindy, and I seeing this correctly?

This was the floater IR I was looking at.

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#4 Postby Gorky » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:49 pm

I noticed what appeared to be a partially exposed LLC on the west side. My knowledge of Louisiana isn't that great but I think this is what you are seeing :P
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Re: Cindy looks to have 2 centers.....AGAIN

#5 Postby GalvestonDuck » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:50 pm

skysummit wrote:Look at radar and sat and compare them. Radar shows a center almost due south of Grand Isle moving to the NNE. Then Satellite shows another center SSW of Houma/Terrebonne Parish. It looks like she's split in too again.

Anyone else see this?


I'm going to go out on an limb and say that I think the SSW of Houma "center" you see is an area of diminished convection.
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#6 Postby loon » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:52 pm

Is it me or is the radar 20 minutes behind? The last frame I get is 2124Z...
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#7 Postby Hyperstorm » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:52 pm

There are NOT 2 centers in Cindy. The LLC is TOO well-defined and has consolidated so much that it would be impossible to have another one. The system is already organized.

A SIDE NOTE.............As Dean4Storms pointed out a while ago, the system is moving toward the NNE to NE AND this means that the system will likely be making landfall in the mouth of the Mississippi and going straight into southern MS and AL. Watch out MGC and others near the coast....it could be a hurricane if it takes that route since it will be over water longer....Similar to Hurricane Danny in 1997.....

Let's hope I'm wrong...
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Re: Cindy looks to have 2 centers.....AGAIN

#8 Postby skysummit » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:53 pm

GalvestonDuck wrote:
skysummit wrote:Look at radar and sat and compare them. Radar shows a center almost due south of Grand Isle moving to the NNE. Then Satellite shows another center SSW of Houma/Terrebonne Parish. It looks like she's split in too again.

Anyone else see this?


I'm going to go out on an limb and say that I think the SSW of Houma "center" you see is an area of diminished convection.


I think I see the hole in the clouds that you're referring to as diminished convection. Now look west and southwest of cindy at the lower "streaming" clouds. Follow them inside that "hole" and they seem to wrap into something. However, on radar, the center looks to be to the east of this.
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#9 Postby baygirl_1 » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:56 pm

Hyperstorm wrote:A SIDE NOTE.............As Dean4Storms pointed out a while ago, the system is moving toward the NNE to NE AND this means that the system will likely be making landfall in the mouth of the Mississippi and going straight into southern MS and AL. Watch out MGC and others near the coast....it could be a hurricane if it takes that route since it will be over water longer....Similar to Hurricane Danny in 1997.....

Let's hope I'm wrong...


i hope so-- no offense! i've been thinking about danny as cindy's landfall appears like it will be similar. however... cindy is moving but danny wasn't moving much at all. hope she keeps moving!
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#10 Postby loon » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:05 pm

On the latest IR floater, Cindy looks to have really set up shop on her West side. On radar (well the last image I can get from NOLA, 2124Z) she still has the NNE or NE movement, but maybe she is bombing? I highly doubt it, but she is starting to look better on all sides convection wise....

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#11 Postby Hyperstorm » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:12 pm

loon wrote:On the latest IR floater, Cindy looks to have really set up shop on her West side. On radar (well the last image I can get from NOLA, 2124Z) she still has the NNE or NE movement, but maybe she is bombing? I highly doubt it, but she is starting to look better on all sides convection wise....

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Convection wise.......you said it. The outflow is getting pinched on the western side. It better move NE a little more rapidly if it's going to continue strengthening. At least we're seeing signs that the westerlies are beginning to influence it and the NE motion we're seeing is likely long-term...
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#12 Postby Wpwxguy » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:13 pm

I noticed earlier that the radar and sat. images were not telling the same story. Looking at radar it looks a to be a nne movement. Look at sat. and the center is far removed from the convection on the west side. Just does'nt look right. Don't know
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#13 Postby OtherHD » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:15 pm

I bet what you're seeing is the low level circulation on satellite and the mid level circulation on radar. Look closely on a visible loop...Cindy's not completely stacked.
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#14 Postby loon » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:22 pm

loon wrote:It looks strange, for sure....

Question, on the floater, I check the MSLP(4) box, which shows pressures and I believe isobars(?), first, what is MSLP (something something something pressure, I'm guessing) and second, it looks like there is a high pressure (1016) running right through the middle of Cindy, and I seeing this correctly?

This was the floater IR I was looking at.

thanks!

Cheers,
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Just curious if anyone had an answer for this. I noticed the line moved further east on the next frame (2145Z)
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#15 Postby skysummit » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:27 pm

OtherHD wrote:I bet what you're seeing is the low level circulation on satellite and the mid level circulation on radar. Look closely on a visible loop...Cindy's not completely stacked.


That' what I mean :D I see two centers on satellite. One that matches the center I see on radar, and one to the west.
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