Joe Bastardi, "Fish" and The Media

[amawea]

Of course everyone at Noaa is opposed. Heh
And as far as JB's data goes. I'll not post it. A simple thing to register and read it. Last post on this for me. Shall we agree to disagree?
Amawea

[x-y-no]

Of course everyone at Noaa is opposed. Heh

Just a minute ago, you claimed this bill was on the behalf of NOAA. So what do you mean by this?

And as far as JB's data goes. I'll not post it. A simple thing to register and read it. Last post on this for me. Shall we agree to disagree?
Amawea

I will not register because I refuse to contribute a penny to a company that's attempting legalized grand theft from the American public on a monumental scale. How many times do I have to explain that?

We can agree to disagree if you wish, the salient point being that my assertions are true, yours are false.

Jan

[Duffy]

hey Jan watch what you say about Santurum, i am a Republican LOL

[x-y-no]

hey Jan watch what you say about Santurum, i am a Republican LOL

There are some Republicans I like just fine, although fewer nowadays than just a very few years ago. Santorum isn't one of them, though.

I voted for Dole in '96, if that helps.

Jan

[amawea]

My assertions are not false. Just because you disagree.
And as far as what Air Force Met posted, whom I have mutch respect; what is wrong with this?
"in a manner that ensures that all members of the public have the opportunity for simultaneous and equal access to such data, information, guidance, forecasts, and warnings. " Isn't that the way it is now?

And x-y-no, I have no obligation to to provide you with anything from the pro site. Get it yourself.

[The Big Dog]

hey Jan watch what you say about Santurum, i am a Republican LOL

Heh, heh... I think even the Republicans on the board have turned on Santorum.

[oceanbrz312]

I have been restraining myself these last few days from replying to a number of posts in different threads. There is so much childish behavior going on like who is right, who is predicting the correct path, who knows more than the other, etc. This site is very informative and a great learning site. But when I read Duffy's and Articfire's post I really got angry. Big Dog is right on about why people live in these places. Do you think that it's party night for us each night and we hang out on the beaches? We all came down to these places for different reasons. Single mom raising 3 kids, receiving no child support or alimony? Do you think a woman could stay where she was born and raised in the northeast and keep a roof over her kids heads and food on the table? And I am not talking luxeries here. Grow Up. We all know the risks and no matter where you live throughout the world there are risks. You just pray and hope that it all works out because the quality of life you are trying to provide for your family outweighs those risks. Lastly, my prayers and thoughts to those who are now in harms way.

[Air Force Met]

Of course everyone at Noaa is opposed. Heh
And as far as JB's data goes. I'll not post it. A simple thing to register and read it. Last post on this for me. Shall we agree to disagree?
Amawea

How can they ask for it to be sponsered by a congressman and then oppose it? That makes no sense.

Of course NOAA is opposed to it...hence more proof they did not ask for it. The private sector (like accuweather) asked for it...and they want to take over certain tasks done by the government now (per section 2.b of the bill) and charge the public for them without having to PAY for the gathering of the data it will take to take over those jobs. So...in other words...they want to tax YOU to get the data....and then produce products that you have to buy. You pay twice.

[ncbird]

My thoughts on the subject...

Lets just put all the media in my trailer when the next hurricane comes this way (and no thank you not asking for one to) and everyone can just come to this forum to get the best information there is.

And yes my friends I am late at posting this hurricane season. Hello to all.. (WAVES to Pebbles)

NCBird

[Pebbles]

My thoughts on the subject...

Lets just put all the media in my trailer when the next hurricane comes this way (and no thank you not asking for one to) and everyone can just come to this forum to get the best information there is.

And yes my friends I am late at posting this hurricane season. Hello to all.. (WAVES to Pebbles)

NCBird

About time you showed up! *big huggers*

Pebbles

[Air Force Met]

My assertions are not false. Just because you disagree.
And as far as what Air Force Met posted, whom I have mutch respect; what is wrong with this?
"in a manner that ensures that all members of the public have the opportunity for simultaneous and equal access to such data, information, guidance, forecasts, and warnings. " Isn't that the way it is now?

And x-y-no, I have no obligation to to provide you with anything from the pro site. Get it yourself.

There is nothing wrong with it...but you said...and I quote "the bill, if we are speaking of the same one wants to keep all the weather data from getting into private sectors."

I posted that part of the bill because you were saying the bill sought to keep data away...and that is totally backwerds.

Sorry...but your posts are a little confusing. You been at a hurricane party and maybe had a little too much?

The problem with the bill is this:
The Secretary of Commerce shall not provide, or assist other entities in providing, a product or service (other than a product or service described in subsection (a)(1)) that is or could be provided by the private sector unless--

(1) the Secretary determines that the private sector is unwilling or unable to provide such product or service...

Now...since section 1 deals with weather warnings...etc...then this section deals with regular forecasts...and that is the rub. This section of the bill could be construed to mean that the NWS will not be issuing regular forecasts for clear weather if the private sector is willing to do it (and they would...for a fee).

That's the problem. They will use the data gathered via my tax payer dollars...and then turn around and charge me for the end product.

That's wrong.

[x-y-no]

My assertions are not false. Just because you disagree.

You claimes S786 was offered on behalf of NOAA. That was false.

You claimed S786 guaranttes ready access to NWS weather data for small people like you and me. That was false.

You claimed JB makes forecasts of storm track forecast point "all the time." That was false.

And as far as what Air Force Met posted, whom I have mutch respect; what is wrong with this?
"in a manner that ensures that all members of the public have the opportunity for simultaneous and equal access to such data, information, guidance, forecasts, and warnings. " Isn't that the way it is now?

He did not post the objectionable parts of the bill. Specifically:

(b) COMPETITION WITH PRIVATE SECTOR- The Secretary of Commerce shall not provide, or assist other entities in providing, a product or service (other than a product or service described in subsection (a)(1)) that is or could be provided by the private sector unless--

(1) the Secretary determines that the private sector is unwilling or unable to provide such product or service; or

(2) the United States Government is obligated to provide such product or service under international aviation agreements to provide meteorological services and exchange meteorological information.

Which prohibits NWS from competing with the private sector in providing any data they are "willing" to provide. This would preclude things like doppler radar sites, satellite imagery, model output, etc. being provided in user-friendly form as it is today by NWS.

and:

(2) MODE OF ISSUANCE- Data, information, guidance, forecasts, and warnings shall be issued under paragraph (1) through a set of data portals designed for volume access by commercial providers of products or services and by such other mechanisms as the Secretary of Commerce considers appropriate for purposes of that paragraph.

Which requires them to provide their data in bulk form (raw data) as the major providers use it (but which is useless to regular folks) but does not explicitly require user-friendly presentation. Taken in conjuction with the prohibition against competition, and this means they can only provide data in bulk form.

and:

(2) Section 9 (15 U.S.C. 317) is amended by striking `, and it shall be' and all that follows and inserting a period.

Which strikes very important language describing services NWS may provide from the US Code.

And x-y-no, I have no obligation to to provide you with anything from the pro site. Get it yourself.

Well, you were willing to make a "fair use" posting earlier. Why not now? Simple: you can't, because JB doesn't do the kind of position forcasts you claimed he does.

Jan

[Duffy]

LOL Jan so did I lol
Those four Hurricanes in Florida last year, may have helped Bush Win Re-election.....his prompt response to the crisis was wonderful,,,,,he showed he is a "Compassionate Conservitive"
As for the one who just lambasted me, i am sorry for hurting anyone's feelings...i know folks have really suffered in past years.....i apoligize for my ignorance on this matter......but i still say that there are those who get off from this stuff.....a Rush as it were....i lived through the Great Ice Storm of '98 up here in Maine.....and I found it to be quite an experience.....without power for several days...ate and lived out on the Porch on a Wood Burning Stove.....it was incredible,,,,,we got like three inches of ice!!!!!! But instead of depressing me, like others who have suffered, it made me stronger, more determined to live through other big storms.....gave me more Character.....maturity

[amawea]

x-y-no, everythingyou posted is false. Keep up the good research though. It don't mean squat in regards to the topic. ^You are trying to twist my statements and I'll have none of it.

Air Force Met,I understand what your saying Air Force Met, my fear is that the gov will try to stop all data to the public period, and we just rely soley on their word. I don't like that. It's simple as that. And I was in the Air Force headed to meteorology school at Chanute A.F.B when my career field got frozen because of a shortage(Airborne Radio, 328x0) Thats why I got out after 8 yrs.
Amawea

[dhweather]

hey Jan watch what you say about Santurum, i am a Republican LOL

Heh, heh... I think even the Republicans on the board have turned on Santorum.

I generally vote Republican, but would support Theresa Kerry over Rick S

[Duffy]

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Don't say that LOL

[x-y-no]

hey Jan watch what you say about Santurum, i am a Republican LOL

Heh, heh... I think even the Republicans on the board have turned on Santorum.

I generally vote Republican, but would support Theresa Kerry over Rick S

Remember ... Theresa was married to a Republican before she was married to a Democrat ...


Sheesh ... now you have me making Kerry jokes.

Jan

[Air Force Met]

x-y-no, everythingyou posted is false. Keep up the good research though. It don't mean squat in regards to the topic. ^You are trying to twist my statements and I'll have none of it.

Air Force Met,I understand what your saying Air Force Met, my fear is that the gov will try to stop all data to the public period, and we just rely soley on their word. I don't like that. It's simple as that. And I was in the Air Force headed to meteorology school at Chanute A.F.B when my career field got frozen because of a shortage(Airborne Radio, 328x0) Thats why I got out after 8 yrs.
Amawea

That is a false fear. That's not going to happen as is not what 786 is all about.

...and the phrase is "Shoot me...don't Chanute me..."

[amawea]

Heh, I'm gonna read that whole bill, I may have it all wrong. I want it to stay as it is now in regards to public access. I have no problem with saying I'm wrong if I am. Just want to make sure before I conceed on the bill that's being pushed.
Also, I see your from Angleton, Tx. Thats where my wife and I got married, then spent a few days at Sea Scape on the beach, fishing, lol.
BTW, I got out cause they were going to put me in Paccs, as I was the only one that was going to have at least 2 yrs retainability when I re-enlisted. NOT. Those guys were gone 90, and home 90. When they cancelled my orders to met school I didn't up again.
Amawea

[Steve]

>>hey Jan watch what you say about Santurum, i am a Republican LOL

While I can appreciate the "LOL", party loyalty is why this country is in such a shambles. Both parties con their blind followers into believing that they offer somthing different. Bzzzz, wrong answer. Both parties are big spending, big government behemoths who live to perpetuate their own existence. One taxes and spends. The other charges and spends.

This should be obvious to all informed US citizens. While I realize your state has two Republican Senators (Collins and Snowe I think), don't believe for a minute they they represent what the GOP is today outside of New England. Please.

FWIW, I'm a stark raving independent who feels that voting along party lines is akin to allowing yourself to be enslaved.

Oh yeah, there's a hurricane in the Gulf /mandatory weather comment

Steve