Grenada Observation

This is the general tropical discussion area. Anyone can take their shot at predicting a storms path.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Forum rules

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K. For official information, please refer to products from the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service.

Help Support Storm2K
Message
Author
User avatar
mobilebay
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1853
Age: 51
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:22 am
Location: Mobile, Alabama

#21 Postby mobilebay » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:36 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Also Charley 2 hours before landfall had a wind field of 30 miles hurricane force winds. With 105 mile tropical storm force wind. As it was moving inland. When its core was going down to around 6 to 8 nmi its hurricane force winds was 25 nmi with tropical storm force 85 nmi.

So Emily wind field is about as big as Charleys.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2004/pu ... .019.shtml?


Also here is a hrd surface wind map. It shows that your area only had 30 mph winds.

ftp://ftp.aoml.noaa.gov/pub/hrd/hwind/2 ... l04deg.png

Whats funny is Ivan hit just a few miles west of Dennis and we were getting gusts to 100 MPH on the WEST side. That is the difference in a storm with a big wind field and one with a small. :D
0 likes   

Matt-hurricanewatcher

#22 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:39 am

Your area got around 70 mph winds...Ivan was much bigger in so it was the third most costliest storm in histroy....


ftp://ftp.aoml.noaa.gov/pub/hrd/hwind/2 ... l04deg.png
0 likes   

User avatar
mobilebay
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1853
Age: 51
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:22 am
Location: Mobile, Alabama

#23 Postby mobilebay » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:41 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Your area got around 70 mph winds...Ivan was much bigger in so it was the third most costliest storm in histroy....


ftp://ftp.aoml.noaa.gov/pub/hrd/hwind/2 ... l04deg.png

Yes. That is sustained winds. We had a gust on the battleship a couple of miles from my location and it gusted to 102 I think. Iknow it was over 100MPH. I'm in extreme Eastern Mobile county.
0 likes   

User avatar
wxwatcher91
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1606
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:43 pm
Location: Keene, NH
Contact:

#24 Postby wxwatcher91 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:43 am

remember Andrew also had a small wind field
0 likes   

User avatar
mobilebay
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1853
Age: 51
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:22 am
Location: Mobile, Alabama

#25 Postby mobilebay » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:47 am

wxwatcher91 wrote:remember Andrew also had a small wind field

Yes it did! However, comparing Andrew with Dennis is like comparing a MAC truck with a Volkeswagon. I'm sorry but Dennis did not impress me. Camille, Charley, and Andrew where small storms but monsters.
0 likes   

Matt-hurricanewatcher

#26 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:48 am

Before landfall

Andrews hurricane force winds outwards of 30 miles. Which is the same as Emily.


ZCZC MIATCPAT4
TTAA00 KNHC 240249
BULLETIN
HURRICANE ANDREW ADVISORY NUMBER 31
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
11 PM EDT SUN AUG 23 1992

...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS HURRICANE ANDREW BEARING DOWN ON SOUTHEAST
FLORIDA...

HURRICANE WARNINGS REMAIN IN EFFECT FOR THE CENTRAL AND NORTHWEST
BAHAMAS...THE FLORIDA EAST COAST FROM VERO BEACH SOUTHWARD THROUGH
THE FLORIDA KEYS TO THE DRY TORTUGAS INCLUDING FLORIDA BAY...THE
FLORIDA WEST COAST SOUTH OF VENICE...AND FOR LAKE OKEECHOBEE. A
HURRICANE WATCH AND A TROPICAL STORM WARNING ARE IN EFFECT FOR THE
FLORIDA EAST COAST FROM VERO BEACH NORTHWARD TO TITUSVILLE...AND ON
THE FLORIDA WEST COAST NORTH OF VENICE TO BAYPORT.

AT 11 PM EDT...0300Z...THE CENTER OF ANDREW WAS LOCATED NEAR
LATITUDE 25.4 NORTH...LONGITUDE 78.1 WEST OR ABOUT 135 MILES
...220 KM...EAST OF MIAMI.

ANDREW IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 16 MPH...26 KM/HR... AND THIS
MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE THROUGH MONDAY. ON THIS PATH THE
CENTER OF ANDREW WILL CROSS THE COAST NEAR MIAMI FLORIDA AROUND
DAYBREAK MONDAY MORNING.

ALL PRECAUTIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD NOW BE
COMPLETED. TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO SPREAD ACROSS
PORTIONS OF THE SOUTHEAST FLORIDA COAST DURING THE NEXT FEW HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 140 MPH...225 KM/HR...AND
SOME FLUCTUATIONS IN STRENGTH ARE LIKELY PRIOR TO LANDFALL.
NASSAU...BAHAMAS...REPORTED SUSTAINED WINDS OF 85 MPH...WITH GUSTS
TO 105 MPH NEAR 830 PM EDT...0030Z.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 30 MILES... 45 KM...
FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 105 MILES...165 KM.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 937 MB...27.67 INCHES.

STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 10 TO 14 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDES ARE
POSSIBLE FOR SOME LOCATIONS ON THE NORTHWEST BAHAMAS...WITH UP TO 18
FEET POSSIBLE FOR THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF ELEUTHERA ISLAND. STORM
SURGES OF 7 TO 10 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDES ARE POSSIBLE FOR THE
FLORIDA EAST COAST AND KEYS NEAR TO WHERE THE CENTER MAKES LANDFALL
IN SOUTHEAST FLORIDA...WITH POSSIBLE HEIGHTS OF 9 TO 13 FEET IN
BISCAYNE BAY. STORM SURGES OF 7 TO 11 FEET ARE POSSIBLE ON THE
FLORIDA WEST COAST NEAR AND TO THE SOUTH OF THE CENTER AFTER THE
PASSAGE OF THE HURRICANE.

RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 5 TO 8 INCHES ARE EXPECTED ALONG THE PATH OF THE
HURRICANE.

A FEW ISOLATED TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE IN SOUTH AND CENTRAL FLORIDA
TONIGHT AND TOMORROW.

REPEATING THE 11 PM EDT POSITION...25.4 N... 78.1 W. MOVEMENT TOWARD
...WEST NEAR 16 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...140 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 937 MB.

INTERMEDIATE ADVISORIES WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE
CENTER AT 1 AM EDT AND 3 AM EDT FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT
COMPLETE ADVISORY ISSUANCE AT 5 AM EDT...MONDAY.

RAPPAPORT/GERRISH/PASCH


As it moved inland...Hurricane force winds outwards of 45 nmi. In which Andrew was larger then Emily.

ZCZC MIATCPAT4 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE ANDREW ADVISORY NUMBER 32
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
5 AM EDT MON AUG 24 1992

...ANDREW ASHORE NEAR HOMESTEAD FLORIDA...

HURRICANE WARNINGS REMAIN IN EFFECT FOR BIMINI ISLAND AND GRAND
BAHAMA ISLAND BUT HAVE BEEN DISCONTINUED FOR THE REST OF THE
BAHAMAS. HURRICANE WARNINGS CONTINUE FOR THE FLORIDA EAST COAST
FROM VERO BEACH SOUTHWARD THROUGH THE FLORIDA KEYS TO THE DRY
TORTUGAS INCLUDING FLORIDA BAY...THE FLORIDA WEST COAST SOUTH
OF VENICE...AND FOR LAKE OKEECHOBEE. A HURRICANE WATCH AND A
TROPICAL STORM WARNING ARE IN EFFECT FOR THE FLORIDA EAST COAST FROM
VERO BEACH NORTHWARD TO TITUSVILLE...AND ON THE FLORIDA WEST COAST
NORTH OF VENICE TO BAYPORT.

AT 5 AM EDT...0900Z...THE CENTER OF ANDREW WAS LOCATED NEAR
LATITUDE 25.4 NORTH...LONGITUDE 80.3 WEST NEAR TURKEY POINT
FLORIDA. THIS POSITION IS ABOUT 10 MILES EAST OF HOMESTEAD AND 25
MILES SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN MIAMI.

ANDREW IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 18 MPH AND THIS MOTION IS
EXPECTED TO TODAY. THE HURRICANE WILL MOVE ACROSS THE EXTREME
SOUTHERN FLORIDA PENINSULA TODAY BEFORE EMERGING INTO THE GULF OF
MEXICO THIS AFTERNOON.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 140 MPH AND SOME WEAKENING IS
LIKELY AS THE CENTER OF ANDREW PASSES OF THE FLORIDA PENINSULA.
DURING THE PAST HOUR...A SUSTAINED WIND OF 115 MPH WITH A GUST TO
138 MPH OCCURRED AT THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 45 MILES FROM THE CENTER
...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 140 MILES
FROM THE CENTER.

THE CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE UNIT
AIRCRAFT IS 932 MB...27.52 INCHES.

STORM SURGE FLOODING IS RECEDING IN THE BAHAMAS. STORM
SURGES OF 7 TO 10 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDES ARE POSSIBLE FOR THE
FLORIDA EAST COAST AND KEYS NEAR TO WHERE THE CENTER MAKES LANDFALL
IN SOUTHEAST FLORIDA...WITH POSSIBLE HEIGHTS OF 9 TO 13 FEET IN
BISCAYNE BAY. STORM SURGES OF 5 TO 8 FEET ARE POSSIBLE ON THE
FLORIDA WEST COAST NEAR AND TO THE SOUTH OF THE CENTER AFTER THE
PASSAGE OF THE HURRICANE.

RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 5 TO 8 INCHES ARE EXPECTED ALONG THE PATH OF THE
HURRICANE.

A FEW ISOLATED TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE IN SOUTH AND CENTRAL FLORIDA
TONIGHT AND TOMORROW.

REPEATING THE 5 AM EDT POSITION...25.4 N... 80.3 W. MOVEMENT TOWARD
...WEST NEAR 18 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...140 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 932 MB.

INTERMEDIATE ADVISORIES WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE
CENTER AT 7 AM EDT AND 9 AM EDT FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT
COMPLETE ADVISORY ISSUANCE AT 11 AM EDT.

RAPPAPORT/GERRISH/PASCH



You mean they could not see that this was stronger then this???

HURRICANE ANDREW DISCUSSION NUMBER 32
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
5 AM EDT MON AUG 24 1992

THE CENTER OF ANDREW IS COMING ASHORE IN SOUTHERN DADE COUNTY. WIND
GUSTS TO 138 MPH HAVE OCCURRED AT THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER. THE
HURRICANE HAS ACCELERATED A LITTLE...TO 16 KT...ON ITS WESTWARD
COURSE.

THE 0000 UTC AVN MODEL...AND THE BAM AND QLM TRACK MODELS SUGGEST A
TRACK WHICH TAKES ANDREW ACROSS THE LOWERMOST FLORIDA PENINSULA...
AND INTO THE NORTH-CENTRAL GULF OF MEXICO BY 48 HOURS. THE MODELS
NOW TURN THE CYCLONE TOWARD THE NORTHWEST WITH A POSSIBLE LANDFALL
BETWEEN 48 AND 72 HOURS. THIS INCREASES THE THREAT OF A LANDFALL ON
THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF OF MEXICO...AND HAS BEEN ACCEPTED FOR THE
CURRENT ADVISORY.

RAPPAPORT/GERRISH/PASCH

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 24/0900Z 25.5N 80.0W 115 KTS
12HR VT 24/1800Z 25.7N 82.3W 105 KTS
24HR VT 25/0600Z 26.2N 85.0W 105 KTS
36HR VT 25/1800Z 26.7N 87.0W 110 KTS
48HR VT 26/0600Z 27.5N 88.8W 115 KTS
72HR VT 27/0600Z 30.0N 91.5W 115 KTS
Last edited by Matt-hurricanewatcher on Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:56 am, edited 1 time in total.
0 likes   

Matt-hurricanewatcher

#27 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:51 am

mobilebay wrote:
wxwatcher91 wrote:remember Andrew also had a small wind field

Yes it did! However, comparing Andrew with Dennis is like comparing a MAC truck with a Volkeswagon. I'm sorry but Dennis did not impress me. Camille, Charley, and Andrew where small storms but monsters.


Not when it was over the central Gulf or South of Cuba. It was a monster!!!
0 likes   

User avatar
mobilebay
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1853
Age: 51
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:22 am
Location: Mobile, Alabama

#28 Postby mobilebay » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:56 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:
mobilebay wrote:
wxwatcher91 wrote:remember Andrew also had a small wind field

Yes it did! However, comparing Andrew with Dennis is like comparing a MAC truck with a Volkeswagon. I'm sorry but Dennis did not impress me. Camille, Charley, and Andrew where small storms but monsters.


Not when it was over the central Gulf or South of Cuba. It was a monster!!!

Where is the Damage in Cuba? I mean come on. That is a poor nation and got drilled by a Strong Cat 4. Charley did more damage when it come through Cuba and it was not even a 3. I think Dennis was not as strong at the Surface as it appeared. JMHO!
0 likes   

Derek Ortt

#29 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:01 am

where is the damage to Cuba?

Try Cienfuegos was totally leveled

Also, Charley was a cat 3 in Cuba and hit the western subarbs of Havana. The damage was just more prominent due to its location
0 likes   

User avatar
caribepr
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1794
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:43 pm
Location: Culebra, PR 18.33 65.33

#30 Postby caribepr » Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:38 am

It doesn't take much for a lot of damage to occur (reading these posts, I again realize how fortunate we are to have the info we have!)

http://www.stormcarib.com/reports/2005/trinidad.shtml
0 likes   

User avatar
dougjp
Tropical Depression
Tropical Depression
Posts: 94
Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:46 am
Location: Ontario, Canada, eh? Hazel survivor :)

#31 Postby dougjp » Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:50 am

Derek Ortt wrote:where is the damage to Cuba?

Try Cienfuegos was totally leveled

Also, Charley was a cat 3 in Cuba and hit the western subarbs of Havana. The damage was just more prominent due to its location


Hurricane Dennis Damage to Cuba

-- Preliminary reports show that hurricane Dennis caused 1.4 billion USD dollars worth of damage
-- 16 fatalities - 13 in Granma, 2 in Santiago, 1 in Sancti spiritus
-- 120 thousand homes damaged
-- 15 thousand homes or buildings collapsed
-- Significant damage to 21 hotels
-- Cuban tv reporter called impact of dennis in SM as an "ecological disaster of immense magnitude".
In some areas the storm stripped the mountains bare...
0 likes   

User avatar
vbhoutex
Storm2k Executive
Storm2k Executive
Posts: 29133
Age: 74
Joined: Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:31 pm
Location: Cypress, TX
Contact:

#32 Postby vbhoutex » Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:58 am

mobilebay wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:
mobilebay wrote:
wxwatcher91 wrote:remember Andrew also had a small wind field

Yes it did! However, comparing Andrew with Dennis is like comparing a MAC truck with a Volkeswagon. I'm sorry but Dennis did not impress me. Camille, Charley, and Andrew where small storms but monsters.


Not when it was over the central Gulf or South of Cuba. It was a monster!!!

Where is the Damage in Cuba? I mean come on. That is a poor nation and got drilled by a Strong Cat 4. Charley did more damage when it come through Cuba and it was not even a 3. I think Dennis was not as strong at the Surface as it appeared. JMHO!


Measured gusts to 149 mph in Cienfuegos is not something we tend to ignore.
0 likes   

soonertwister
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1091
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 2:52 pm

#33 Postby soonertwister » Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:55 am

This article paints a clear picture of the massive destruction of Dennis in Cuba. He was no pussycat there.

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db9 ... enDocument
0 likes   

Sanibel
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 10385
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:06 pm
Location: Offshore SW Florida

#34 Postby Sanibel » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:49 pm

Grenada Damage



``Just as we were trying to rebuild ... this is a very, very major setback,'' said Barry Colleymore, a spokesman for Prime Minister Keith Mitchell. ``There's been lots of destruction.''

A man in his 40s was killed when a landslide crushed his home in St. Andrew's, said Allen McGuire, Grenada's consul general in New York City.

In the capital, St. George's, winds blew out windows in a new hospital built with help from the Cuban government, causing flooding, Colleymore said. Hospital employees had mistakenly reported that the roof of the operating room had been blown off, Colleymore said.

On Carriacou, the storm damaged the roof of the only hospital, forcing the evacuation of patients, officials said. Sixteen houses were destroyed in Carriacou and more than 200 were damaged, McGuire said.

Elsewhere in the country, two police stations and two homes for the elderly also lost their roofs, landslides and fallen trees blocked roads, streets were flooded and crops were destroyed.

The two outlying islands had largely been spared from Ivan, but elsewhere in Grenada many of the homes damaged Thursday had still been under reconstruction, McGuire said.

Authorities asked the public to remain at home or in shelters, where more than 1,600 people took refuge, as they assessed the damage. More people would likely need shelter after losing their homes, McGuire said.

Prime Minister Keith Mitchell flew over the country to survey the destruction, Colleymore said.

In Trinidad, there was widespread flooding and at least one house washed away in the eastern community of Arima.

Jamaica was under a hurricane watch, while the Dominican Republic and Haiti posted tropical storm warnings as did the islands of Bonaire, Curacao and Aruba. A tropical storm warning was also called for a portion of Venezuela's northern coast.

In Grenada, Mitchell had sought before the storm to reassure citizens that the government would not be caught off-guard - as it was when Ivan killed 39 people and left a wasteland of ruined buildings in September.

Grenadians rushed home under heavy rain, forming traffic jams in the capital of St. George's. Islanders had flocked to the stores Tuesday, snapping up canned food, water and batteries. The rush contrasted with the attitude before Ivan, when islanders took few precautions.

``We took this very, very seriously,'' said Colin Dowe, an assistant dean at the island's St. George's University, where dozens of students and faculty members waited out the storm. ``Ivan was much stronger so the general feeling is that we can get through this.''

At 5 p.m. Thursday, Emily was centered about 445 miles southeast of the Dominican Republic capital, Santo Domingo. Hurricane-force winds extended up to 25 miles and tropical storm-force winds another 115 miles.

The struggle to recover from Ivan has prevented Grenada from thoroughly preparing for this year's hurricane season. Amid a shortage of construction supplies, many islanders still have no roofs and some children are still taught under tarps. Ivan's destruction left few buildings viable as shelters.

Emily trails Hurricane Dennis, which destroyed crops and killed at least 25 people in Haiti and 16 in Cuba last week, according to authorities in the two countries.
0 likes   


Return to “Talkin' Tropics”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Hurricane2000 and 64 guests