Hurricane Emily Advisories

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Message
Author
User avatar
stormie_skies
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 3318
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:25 pm
Location: League City, TX

#241 Postby stormie_skies » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:11 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:those who were saying this would bomb in the GOM were -removed-, or not basing their forecasts on the met data. What data suggests RI in the GOM at the present time? The NHC forecasts had a very minor amount of intensification.

Things could change as they have started to do now with the latest sat signature and recon reports. However, when nearly all models show little intensification, then that cannot be taken lightly


I'd like to clarify a couple of things...

First of all, I never called your ability to forecast into question. I wouldn't do that to any of the mets on here - y'all know infinitely more than I do, and the biggest reason I come here is to learn from you. I wouldn't ask you questions if I did not respect your opinion. If others did that - they were only speaking for themselves.

Second, I never said that Em would "bomb" in the Gulf - though many have speculated that she would. My question/concern was with the contrast in the wording of the two discussions, one of which forecasted intensification and "at least" a Cat 3, and the other which flatly shut the door on any intensification, large or small. I simply asked you if there was something Avila was seeing that the others weren't - if something had changed in the Gulf that would prohibit even steady intensification.

I understand completely that people make mistakes. I think the only reason why anyone jumped to correct you was because you accused those of us who had issues with the discussion of "-removed-" and "seeing what we want to." As I understand it, calling others "people I disagree with" in these forums is something the mods frown upon - and doing it is especially ridiculous when the issues the poster is raising are viable concerns or questions - which this was.

Honestly, I was only seeking your opinion on the change in the NHC's tone. I didn't expect a bunch of accusations. God only knows I dont want a major in the Gulf ....
0 likes   

HurricaneBill
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 3420
Joined: Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:51 pm
Location: East Longmeadow, MA, USA

#242 Postby HurricaneBill » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:16 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:point out where I have been wrong a lot

off by a whole 20 miles on the Dennis landfall?

By correctly predicting this weakening?

How about everyone who thinks they can do better put your money where your mouth is and make a forecast and know that it is not just for fun


How about you lighten up a little and stop attacking posters with accusations of -removed- or being complete idiots?

Honestly, Derek. I respect you tremendously as a forecaster, but you kinda have a chip on your shoulder.
0 likes   

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 145299
Age: 68
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

#243 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:20 pm

Ok guys let cool heads prevail here and return to the sound discussions about Emily not personnal bickering.
0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

User avatar
deltadog03
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 3580
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:16 pm
Location: Macon, GA

#244 Postby deltadog03 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:21 pm

hey, i want my question answered...lol...by anyone
0 likes   

duris
Category 1
Category 1
Posts: 252
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:21 am
Location: New Orleans

#245 Postby duris » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:25 pm

cycloneye wrote:Ok guys let cool heads prevail here and return to the sound discussions about Emily not personnal bickering.


Yes, but what about this witchcasting thing? You know what we do to witches!
0 likes   

User avatar
Andrew92
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 3247
Age: 41
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2003 12:35 am
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

#246 Postby Andrew92 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:25 pm

May I offer a suggestion? This thread has just about become a back-and-forth argument between amateurs and Derek. I'm not saying that you amateurs can't have your opinion, because I'm an amateur too and have my own. But for the sake of what this thread is supposed to be, for advisories on Emily, can you try to take it to PM's?

Thank you.

With that said, I wish to go back on-topic. Not surprised at all by the weakening. I originally thought Emily might regain some intensity, but now I seriously question that. The 5 PM advisory should be very interesting.

-Andrew92
0 likes   

User avatar
Ivanhater
Storm2k Moderator
Storm2k Moderator
Posts: 11161
Age: 38
Joined: Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:25 am
Location: Pensacola

#247 Postby Ivanhater » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:27 pm

thats all i was trying to say hurricanebill, attacking posters for pointing out differences in the nhc wording is a viable point, derek has been right plenty of times but has also been wrong, so if your going to take credit for being right, you have to take the credit for being right, i understand he has on some occasions, but ive seen posts where he makes these short little opinions and doesnt explain why.. and im sure he wouldnt like it if he said a storm was going to intensify and someone would say he was -removed-, a dont think giving everyone the respect they deserve is to much to ask
0 likes   

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 145299
Age: 68
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

#248 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:27 pm

I will make a new advisorie thread.
0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 145299
Age: 68
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

H Emily Advisories

#249 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:28 pm

A new clean thread for advisories.
Last edited by cycloneye on Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:03 am, edited 21 times in total.
0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

User avatar
HURAKAN
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 46086
Age: 38
Joined: Thu May 20, 2004 4:34 pm
Location: Key West, FL
Contact:

#250 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:38 pm

Image

Emily weakens to a Cat. 2.
0 likes   

User avatar
canegrl04
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2486
Joined: Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:37 pm
Location: Texas

#251 Postby canegrl04 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:31 pm

All models in agreement for South Tex
0 likes   

User avatar
Typhoon_Willie
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1042
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:19 pm
Location: Greenacres City, Florida

#252 Postby Typhoon_Willie » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:39 pm

I hope that they will be getting ready soon with that kind of agreement!
0 likes   

Brent
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 38088
Age: 36
Joined: Sun May 16, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Tulsa Oklahoma
Contact:

#253 Postby Brent » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:39 pm

HURRICANE EMILY FORECAST/ADVISORY NUMBER 20
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL052005
2100Z FRI JUL 15 2005

AT 5 PM AST...2100 UTC...THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CAYMAN ISLANDS HAS
ISSUED A HURRICANE WARNING FOR ALL OF THE CAYMAN ISLANDS.

A HURRICANE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR ALL OF JAMAICA.

A HURRICANE WARNING MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED
WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. PREPARATIONS TO
PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS ALSO IN EFFECT FOR PORTIONS OF THE
SOUTHERN COAST OF THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC FROM PUNTA SALINAS WESTWARD
TO THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC/HAITI BORDER...AND FOR THE ENTIRE
SOUTHWESTERN PENINSULA OF HAITI FROM THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC/HAITI
BORDER TO PORT-AU-PRINCE.

INTERESTS ELSEWHERE IN THE CENTRAL AND WESTERN CARIBBEAN SHOULD
MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF EMILY.

HURRICANE CENTER LOCATED NEAR 14.7N 72.8W AT 15/2100Z
POSITION ACCURATE WITHIN 15 NM

PRESENT MOVEMENT TOWARD THE WEST OR 280 DEGREES AT 17 KT

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 969 MB
EYE DIAMETER 15 NM
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 90 KT WITH GUSTS TO 110 KT.
64 KT....... 30NE 20SE 10SW 20NW.
50 KT....... 60NE 30SE 15SW 60NW.
34 KT.......120NE 100SE 30SW 100NW.
12 FT SEAS..200NE 100SE 75SW 150NW.
WINDS AND SEAS VARY GREATLY IN EACH QUADRANT. RADII IN NAUTICAL
MILES ARE THE LARGEST RADII EXPECTED ANYWHERE IN THAT QUADRANT.

REPEAT...CENTER LOCATED NEAR 14.7N 72.8W AT 15/2100Z
AT 15/1800Z CENTER WAS LOCATED NEAR 14.5N 72.0W

FORECAST VALID 16/0600Z 15.2N 75.4W
MAX WIND 90 KT...GUSTS 110 KT.
64 KT... 30NE 20SE 10SW 20NW.
50 KT... 60NE 30SE 15SW 60NW.
34 KT...120NE 100SE 30SW 100NW.

FORECAST VALID 16/1800Z 16.6N 78.9W
MAX WIND 95 KT...GUSTS 115 KT.
64 KT... 30NE 20SE 10SW 20NW.
50 KT... 60NE 30SE 15SW 60NW.
34 KT...120NE 100SE 30SW 100NW.

FORECAST VALID 17/0600Z 18.3N 82.0W
MAX WIND 100 KT...GUSTS 120 KT.
64 KT... 30NE 20SE 10SW 20NW.
50 KT... 60NE 30SE 15SW 60NW.
34 KT...120NE 100SE 30SW 100NW.

FORECAST VALID 17/1800Z 20.0N 85.5W
MAX WIND 105 KT...GUSTS 130 KT.
50 KT... 60NE 30SE 15SW 60NW.
34 KT...120NE 100SE 30SW 100NW.

FORECAST VALID 18/1800Z 22.5N 91.5W
MAX WIND 75 KT...GUSTS 90 KT.
50 KT... 60NE 30SE 15SW 60NW.
34 KT...120NE 100SE 30SW 100NW.

EXTENDED OUTLOOK. NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 250 NM
ON DAY 4 AND 325 NM ON DAY 5...AND FOR INTENSITY NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY

OUTLOOK VALID 19/1800Z 25.0N 96.0W
MAX WIND 85 KT...GUSTS 105 KT.

OUTLOOK VALID 20/1800Z 27.0N 100.0W...INLAND
MAX WIND 50 KT...GUSTS 60 KT.

REQUEST FOR 3 HOURLY SHIP REPORTS WITHIN 300 MILES OF 14.7N 72.8W

NEXT ADVISORY AT 16/0300Z

FORECASTER AVILA
0 likes   
#neversummer

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 145299
Age: 68
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

#254 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:39 pm

152038
TCMAT5
HURRICANE EMILY FORECAST/ADVISORY NUMBER 20
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL052005
2100Z FRI JUL 15 2005

AT 5 PM AST...2100 UTC...THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CAYMAN ISLANDS HAS
ISSUED A HURRICANE WARNING FOR ALL OF THE CAYMAN ISLANDS.

A HURRICANE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR ALL OF JAMAICA.

A HURRICANE WARNING MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED
WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. PREPARATIONS TO
PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS ALSO IN EFFECT FOR PORTIONS OF THE
SOUTHERN COAST OF THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC FROM PUNTA SALINAS WESTWARD
TO THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC/HAITI BORDER...AND FOR THE ENTIRE
SOUTHWESTERN PENINSULA OF HAITI FROM THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC/HAITI
BORDER TO PORT-AU-PRINCE.

INTERESTS ELSEWHERE IN THE CENTRAL AND WESTERN CARIBBEAN SHOULD
MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF EMILY.

HURRICANE CENTER LOCATED NEAR 14.7N 72.8W AT 15/2100Z
POSITION ACCURATE WITHIN 15 NM

PRESENT MOVEMENT TOWARD THE WEST OR 280 DEGREES AT 17 KT

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 969 MB
EYE DIAMETER 15 NM
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 90 KT WITH GUSTS TO 110 KT.
64 KT....... 30NE 20SE 10SW 20NW.
50 KT....... 60NE 30SE 15SW 60NW.
34 KT.......120NE 100SE 30SW 100NW.
12 FT SEAS..200NE 100SE 75SW 150NW.
WINDS AND SEAS VARY GREATLY IN EACH QUADRANT. RADII IN NAUTICAL
MILES ARE THE LARGEST RADII EXPECTED ANYWHERE IN THAT QUADRANT.

REPEAT...CENTER LOCATED NEAR 14.7N 72.8W AT 15/2100Z
AT 15/1800Z CENTER WAS LOCATED NEAR 14.5N 72.0W

FORECAST VALID 16/0600Z 15.2N 75.4W
MAX WIND 90 KT...GUSTS 110 KT.
64 KT... 30NE 20SE 10SW 20NW.
50 KT... 60NE 30SE 15SW 60NW.
34 KT...120NE 100SE 30SW 100NW.

FORECAST VALID 16/1800Z 16.6N 78.9W
MAX WIND 95 KT...GUSTS 115 KT.
64 KT... 30NE 20SE 10SW 20NW.
50 KT... 60NE 30SE 15SW 60NW.
34 KT...120NE 100SE 30SW 100NW.

FORECAST VALID 17/0600Z 18.3N 82.0W
MAX WIND 100 KT...GUSTS 120 KT.
64 KT... 30NE 20SE 10SW 20NW.
50 KT... 60NE 30SE 15SW 60NW.
34 KT...120NE 100SE 30SW 100NW.

FORECAST VALID 17/1800Z 20.0N 85.5W
MAX WIND 105 KT...GUSTS 130 KT.
50 KT... 60NE 30SE 15SW 60NW.
34 KT...120NE 100SE 30SW 100NW.

FORECAST VALID 18/1800Z 22.5N 91.5W
MAX WIND 75 KT...GUSTS 90 KT.
50 KT... 60NE 30SE 15SW 60NW.
34 KT...120NE 100SE 30SW 100NW.

EXTENDED OUTLOOK. NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 250 NM
ON DAY 4 AND 325 NM ON DAY 5...AND FOR INTENSITY NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY

OUTLOOK VALID 19/1800Z 25.0N 96.0W
MAX WIND 85 KT...GUSTS 105 KT.

OUTLOOK VALID 20/1800Z 27.0N 100.0W...INLAND
MAX WIND 50 KT...GUSTS 60 KT.

REQUEST FOR 3 HOURLY SHIP REPORTS WITHIN 300 MILES OF 14.7N 72.8W

NEXT ADVISORY AT 16/0300Z

FORECASTER AVILA

0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 145299
Age: 68
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

#255 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:43 pm

HURRICANE EMILY ADVISORY NUMBER 20
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM AST FRI JUL 15 2005

...EMILY WEAKENS BUT EXPECTED TO REGAIN STRENGTH AS IT MOVES TOWARD
THE WESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA...

AT 5 PM AST...2100 UTC...THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CAYMAN ISLANDS HAS
ISSUED A HURRICANE WARNING FOR ALL OF THE CAYMAN ISLANDS.

A HURRICANE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR ALL OF JAMAICA.

A HURRICANE WARNING MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED
WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. PREPARATIONS TO
PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION.

A HURRICANE WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR ALL OF THE CAYMAN ISLANDS.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS ALSO IN EFFECT FOR PORTIONS OF THE
SOUTHERN COAST OF THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC FROM PUNTA SALINAS WESTWARD
TO THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC/HAITI BORDER...AND FOR THE ENTIRE
SOUTHWESTERN PENINSULA OF HAITI FROM THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC/HAITI
BORDER TO PORT-AU-PRINCE.

INTERESTS ELSEWHERE IN THE CENTRAL AND WESTERN CARIBBEAN SHOULD
MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF EMILY.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE
INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED
BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

AT 5 PM AST...2100Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE EMILY WAS ESTIMATED
NEAR LATITUDE 14.7 NORTH...LONGITUDE 72.8 WEST OR ABOUT 350
MILES...565 KM...SOUTHEAST OF KINGSTON JAMAICA.

EMILY HAS BEEN MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 20 MPH...32 KM/HR...AND
THIS MOTION IS EXPECTED TONIGHT WITH A GRADUAL TURN TO THE
WEST-NORTHWEST ON SATURDAY. ON THIS TRACK...THE CENTER OF EMILY WILL
PASS NOT FAR TO THE SOUTH OF JAMAICA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE DECREASED TO NEAR 105 MPH...165
KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. EMILY IS A CATEGORY TWO HURRICANE ON THE
SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS FORECAST
DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 35 MILES... 55 KM...
FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 140 MILES...220 KM.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 969 MB...28.61 INCHES.

EMILY MAY PRODUCE RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 5 TO 10 INCHES OVER
JAMAICA...WITH MAXIMUM ACCUMULATIONS OF 15 TO 20 INCHES OVER
MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN. RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 10 TO 12 INCHES ARE
EXPECTED OVER THE CAYMAN ISLANDS WITH LESSER AMOUNTS OF 3 TO 6
INCHES OVER PORTIONS OF HISPANIOLA AND EASTERN CUBA. THESE RAINS
COULD PRODUCE LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODS AND MUD SLIDES.

REPEATING THE 5 PM AST POSITION...14.7 N... 72.8 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...WEST NEAR 20 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...105 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 969 MB.

AN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE
CENTER AT 8 PM AST FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY AT 11 PM
AST.

0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

Brent
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 38088
Age: 36
Joined: Sun May 16, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Tulsa Oklahoma
Contact:

#256 Postby Brent » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:44 pm

Image
0 likes   
#neversummer

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 145299
Age: 68
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

#257 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:46 pm

The model consensus guidance of Texas/Mexico border landfall is followed by NHC forecast track.
0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

Anonymous

#258 Postby Anonymous » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:49 pm

I think they are too liberal with the weakening over the Yucatan. It should clip, or go over the northern tip, and they say it will drop from 120 mph to 85 mph??? Hmm...seems a bit too much to me.
0 likes   

User avatar
Swimdude
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2270
Joined: Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:57 am
Location: Houston, TX

#259 Postby Swimdude » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:50 pm

Hmmm at least everything is consistent now.
0 likes   

User avatar
Swimdude
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2270
Joined: Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:57 am
Location: Houston, TX

#260 Postby Swimdude » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:51 pm

and what happened to that "left" turn that it's supposed to make..?
0 likes   


Return to “2005”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest