What causes more damage-A tsunami or a bonafide cat 5?

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What causes more damage-A tsunami or a bonafide cat 5?

#1 Postby JTD » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:32 pm

I'm off to bed so I'll check this again in the morning but if you were in say Cancun and somebody gave you two choices:
1. The same type of tsunami that hit the epicenter of the December 26th quake near Sumatra? Not the waves that hit Sri Lanka, Maldives, etc but the waves that hit Indonesia.
2. A cat 5 with say winds of 170 mph+.

What would you choose? Which would cause less damage? Is there any appreciable difference?
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#2 Postby Normandy » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:33 pm

A tsunami...of great heights of course. Anything taller than 100 feet would wipe out a coastal town.
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#3 Postby PurdueWx80 » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:34 pm

A tsunami would cause more widespread damage since they aren't as localized as a hurricane.
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#4 Postby mike18xx » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:43 pm

A fifty-foot wave in a cat-5 hurricane has a trough-to-trough length of maybe a hundred feet tops; a fifty-foot wave in a tsunami has a trough-to-trough length of up to a hundred miles.

How long do you want to be underwater?
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#5 Postby BLHutch » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:47 pm

I would choose to be in neither of those two options.

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#6 Postby Scorpion » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:57 pm

A tsunami since there is little warning and the water moves further inland and much faster.
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#7 Postby wxmann_91 » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:18 am

Tsunami would be worse. It comes with little warning, and water is one hundred times more powerful than air. A 160 mph wind is less powerful, in fact, than a tsunami traveling half that fast. And a tsunami is made of a series of waves, catching people off guard. Sure, a hurricane has an eye, but it only has one. There can be 5 or 6 breaks between tsunamis, and those breaks can be deadly.
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#8 Postby mike18xx » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:26 am

There is only spot in the world were a tropical cyclone can kill as many people as a tsunami: the Ganges delta in Bangladesh.
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#9 Postby hicksta » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:27 am

Scorpion wrote:A tsunami since there is little warning and the water moves further inland and much faster.


I read a story about all the fish that it shoved up on land. Remember finding nemo the fish with the light over its head. Theres a fish looks exactly like it
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#10 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:28 am

The Tsunumi that could hit the East coast when that island near the cape verdes falls into the sea will be a big one.
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#11 Postby mike18xx » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:35 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:The Tsunumi that could hit the East coast when that island near the cape verdes falls into the sea will be a big one.
I'm waiting for the big island of Hawaii to crack in half. Unlike the Cape Verde island, the Hawaiian crack is actively spreading, meaning part of the island is actually slowing sliding.
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#12 Postby BLHutch » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:38 am

mike18xx wrote:I'm waiting for the big island of Hawaii to crack in half. Unlike the Cape Verde island, the Hawaiian crack is actively spreading, meaning part of the island is actually slowing sliding.


Would that travel west across the Pacific or East towards the West Coast of the U.S.?

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#13 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:39 am

I would not went to live on the beach/coast when that happens. :cry: Or visiting for that matter.
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#14 Postby hicksta » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:42 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:I would not went to live on the beach/coast when that happens. :cry: Or visiting for that matter.


It'd be like the running of the bulls. Insted running of the Tsunami
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#15 Postby mike18xx » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:44 am

BLHutch wrote:
mike18xx wrote:I'm waiting for the big island of Hawaii to crack in half. Unlike the Cape Verde island, the Hawaiian crack is actively spreading, meaning part of the island is actually slowing sliding.
Would that travel west across the Pacific or East towards the West Coast of the U.S.?
Southeast toward South America.
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#16 Postby mike18xx » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:44 am

(Inadvertant double-post....where's the delete button?)
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#17 Postby Aslkahuna » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:36 am

Tsunamis, of course travel much faster than 160 mph-more like 500+ mph. A Basin wide tsunami would involve a much larger area than the Cat 5 as Cat 5's don't have inner cores 1000+ miles in diameter. Locally in a small area, the storm surge could be a devastating as a tsunami of equivalent size but the overall area affected with be much greater with the tsunami.

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#18 Postby EDR1222 » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:42 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:The Tsunumi that could hit the East coast when that island near the cape verdes falls into the sea will be a big one.


I remember seeing a documentary discussing this. Some experts believe there would not be adequate time for people to get away from the coast if this scenario unfolds. And it also mentioned the possibility that the impacts could be felt along many areas of the east coast of the United States and also could travel far inland.
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Re: What causes more damage-A tsunami or a bonafide cat 5?

#19 Postby Windy » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:58 am

jason0509 wrote:I'm off to bed so I'll check this again in the morning but if you were in say Cancun and somebody gave you two choices:
1. The same type of tsunami that hit the epicenter of the December 26th quake near Sumatra? Not the waves that hit Sri Lanka, Maldives, etc but the waves that hit Indonesia.
2. A cat 5 with say winds of 170 mph+.

What would you choose? Which would cause less damage? Is there any appreciable difference?


A tsunami, hands down. An unexpected tsunami wipes out everything in its path, it nearly inescapable, and is highly lethal. More people died in the first ten minutes of the tsunami of December 26th than in all hurricanes and typhoons over the past decade.
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#20 Postby HurryKane » Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:38 am

EDR1222 wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:The Tsunumi that could hit the East coast when that island near the cape verdes falls into the sea will be a big one.


I remember seeing a documentary discussing this. Some experts believe there would not be adequate time for people to get away from the coast if this scenario unfolds. And it also mentioned the possibility that the impacts could be felt along many areas of the east coast of the United States and also could travel far inland.



I saw that documentary too. It's about the Las Palmas (or La Palma, depending on your source) island in the Canary Islands, where the western half of it could supposedly fall into the Atlantic and cause a tsunami that would hit the east coast only about eight or nine hours later. The entire eastern seaboard would theoretically get smacked. I don't remember them showing how the tsunami would filter through the Caribbean and GOM though. However, since that doc ran, a lot of people have popped up to say that the piece used poor science and was going for the scare 'em to death angle.

Here's a couple of articles describing the situation as originally posed by the documentary:
http://www.newsmedianews.com/tsunami.php
BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/20 ... nami.shtml

And for fun, the counterpoints arguing against the fearmongering about it:
http://www.lapalma-tsunami.com/tsunami.html
http://www.iberianature.com/material/megatsunami.html


Here's a great Q&A session about tsunamis and the US from the Public Broadcasting Service/NOVA: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tsunami/ask-050404.html
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