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I almost hate to say this

#1 Postby jwayne » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:38 pm

because I know I'm gonna get hammered for it, but here goes. Latest sat loop sure looks like emily has almost stalled off of cozumel. tough to tell completely b/c only have water vapor and ir to go by. am I out to lunch?
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#2 Postby Galvestongirl » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:40 pm

well, I almost hate to say this, but, this board is getting out of hand with the hostility I am seeing....you shouldnt have to feel that way about your post, its your opinion and it should be respected without any bashing or harsh words.
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#3 Postby EDR1222 » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:41 pm

Still looks like she is moving steady to me. There are some fluctuations going on with the eye structure however.

Don't worry about getting hammered for your posts. Many of us are here to learn and enjoy. And most of the people on here, pros and ameteurs alike are very knowledgeable and helpful. :)
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#4 Postby jwayne » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:42 pm

"stalled" probably isn't the right word. "significantly reduced speed" is more accurate as to my opinion, for what it's worth.
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#5 Postby wxmann_91 » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:46 pm

Satellite loops can play tricks to a person's eyes, even if that person is a pro met. The new blob of convection is remaining stationary, but the center of the storm is still moving. JMHO though
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#6 Postby jkt21787 » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:47 pm

Perhaps it has slowed, but since the eye is becoming obsured on satellite it can create a deceiving image. I don't think we've stalled or even near stalled, we're probably moving at a steady 15-18 mph. I have no idea though.

It is sad that you have to worry about posting this now though, I wish it wasn't like this.
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#7 Postby jwayne » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:47 pm

wxmann_91 wrote:Satellite loops can play tricks to a person's eyes, even if that person is a pro met. The new blob of convection is remaining stationary, but the center of the storm is still moving. JMHO though


good observation. wish they had better radar in the area so that we could tell.
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#8 Postby stu » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:49 pm

The radar looks like it has failed on the last scan ??
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#9 Postby senorpepr » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:49 pm

Well, here is my analysis. There really hasn't been any significant change in speed, overall. It does appear that it slowed a few mph, but all in all, there isn't any stalling. Just some slight slowing.
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#10 Postby Stratosphere747 » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:51 pm

jwayne wrote:
wxmann_91 wrote:Satellite loops can play tricks to a person's eyes, even if that person is a pro met. The new blob of convection is remaining stationary, but the center of the storm is still moving. JMHO though


good observation. wish they had better radar in the area so that we could tell.


http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goeseastconuswv.html

Nothing better...At least for the amateurs...;)
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#11 Postby micktooth » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:51 pm

I agree, perhaps she has slowed some. But without good radar and confusing sat loops, it's hard to tell. Feel free to post what you want. I personally am here to learn and have fun. :D
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#12 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:52 pm

stu wrote:The radar looks like it has failed on the last scan ??



It could of been blown away?
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#13 Postby yoda » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:57 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:
stu wrote:The radar looks like it has failed on the last scan ??



It could of been blown away?


I don't think the radar "blew away"...
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#14 Postby Sanibel » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:01 pm

Judging from my previous evaluation of the track, I think the eye is still under the convection where it was before and heading 20 miles south of Cozumel - believe it or not. The eye is tilted because of shear. However, the tilting is towards Cozumel.

Looks like Tulum still.
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#15 Postby MWatkins » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:01 pm

Galvestongirl wrote:well, I almost hate to say this, but, this board is getting out of hand with the hostility I am seeing....you shouldnt have to feel that way about your post, its your opinion and it should be respected without any bashing or harsh words.


I agree with your take there, 1000%. Folks should always feel ok with presenting any new ideas/comments/questions without fear of getting hammered....that is the reason this board is here...send me or any other mod a PM if you observe that happening. I dont read every post...as that is almost impossible...so personally I don't see everything...but let us know. There is no place for that kind of bashing...

As far as the stall...hard to tell that if you are just looking at IR satellite imagery...I don't think the center is stalling so much as the convection is building westward after weakening considerably on that side earlier... hence causing problems if you follow the envelope itself...but the actual center is still moving WNW at a good clip based on recon data.

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#16 Postby wxmann_91 » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:01 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:
stu wrote:The radar looks like it has failed on the last scan ??



It could of been blown away?


:eek: (not trying to imagine what could have happened in Cozumel if a radar station 50 mi farther away from the center was blown away)
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#17 Postby mike18xx » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:04 pm

jwayne wrote:because I know I'm gonna get hammered for it, but here goes. Latest sat loop sure looks like emily has almost stalled off of cozumel. tough to tell completely b/c only have water vapor and ir to go by. am I out to lunch?

It depends on what satellite loops you're looking at. For instance, at http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goeseastconusir.html, picks are normally fifteen minutes or a half-hour apart, but if there's something particularly interesting going on, new frames will come every 10 minutes or even less. If you're viewing a long loop, the last half of which is more rapidly updated shots, it will appear that the storm is slowing as it loops.
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#18 Postby Steve » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:19 pm

Seemed earlier that the center was rotating within the CDO as the new convection was blossoming closer to the Yucatan coast in conjunction with landfall.

As for the premise, I can see both sides. The bashing does get out of hand, but so does the statecasting "wobble/jog/NNW vs. WNW threads we have to wade through (or around) with every threat. In this case, the post was sound and legit. You're not living in Cancun, so it's not like you had a vested interest in presenting a scared-to-death what if scenario.

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#19 Postby southerngale » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:22 pm

MWatkins wrote:
Galvestongirl wrote:well, I almost hate to say this, but, this board is getting out of hand with the hostility I am seeing....you shouldnt have to feel that way about your post, its your opinion and it should be respected without any bashing or harsh words.


I agree with your take there, 1000%. Folks should always feel ok with presenting any new ideas/comments/questions without fear of getting hammered....that is the reason this board is here...send me or any other mod a PM if you observe that happening. I dont read every post...as that is almost impossible...so personally I don't see everything...but let us know. There is no place for that kind of bashing...

As far as the stall...hard to tell that if you are just looking at IR satellite imagery...I don't think the center is stalling so much as the convection is building westward after weakening considerably on that side earlier... hence causing problems if you follow the envelope itself...but the actual center is still moving WNW at a good clip based on recon data.

MW


I agree Mike and before I saw your reply, I was going to comment on Galvestongirl's post as well. It shouldn't be like that and we're going to do everything we can for it NOT to be. Everyone should feel free to post their opinions and if others don't like it, they can just ignore it. I'm not liking the tone on a lot of posts I see. I realize that some of it gets repetitious, but just let it go for the spirit of the board. We don't want anyone afraid to post. That's why this board was created in the first place.....to get away from the hostility and flames found at other boards. We're about to drop the hammer so I suggest everyone lighten up. :)
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#20 Postby deltadog03 » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:27 pm

well thank you for your kindess...i will try to post again...recon found this to be the center...

Time: 03:29:50Z
Latitude: 20°N
Longitude: 86.6°W

would it now be somewhere around....

20.2N and 86.7W?? that is coming from the zoomed in shot and the coords on the bottom...i know thats prolly not exact but, pretty close...this is just S or SSE of cozumel...
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