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#221 Postby Windy » Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:58 pm

jschlitz wrote:
Gorky wrote:Let's see if Dereks Cat4 prediction comes through then. At this rate even that could be an underestimate :roll:


??

From Page one of this very thread:

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:14 am

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actually thats about 70-75KT surface

cat 3 now almost impossible. The winds have actually decreased from last night substantially. If the current trends continue, even cat 2 could be stretching it


You aren't paying much attention to the recon and the NHS discussion, are you?

Don't get me wrong; CAT 4 is unlikely and CAT 5 is highly improbable. But I'm doubting that Cat 2 will be stretching it, and so is the NHC, with forecast intensity at 100kts.
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#222 Postby jasons2k » Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:59 pm

I.C., sorry that just caught my eye b/c I accidentally went to page one.

And Derek, that was not meant as a slam at you :wink: . It's been quite aday for all of us; and looks like a long nite too.
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#223 Postby clfenwi » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:00 pm

30 millibar drop in 6.75 hours...
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#224 Postby HurricaneBill » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:01 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:yeah... things have changed drastically from this morning

however, not one nwhhc forecast in the last 72 hours has indicated anything less than a major hurricane at landfall


Well, sometimes hurricanes just feel like jumping out and saying "Surprise!".
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#225 Postby jasons2k » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:01 pm

Windy wrote:
jschlitz wrote:
Gorky wrote:Let's see if Dereks Cat4 prediction comes through then. At this rate even that could be an underestimate :roll:


??

From Page one of this very thread:

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:14 am

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actually thats about 70-75KT surface

cat 3 now almost impossible. The winds have actually decreased from last night substantially. If the current trends continue, even cat 2 could be stretching it


You aren't paying much attention to the recon and the NHS discussion, are you?

Don't get me wrong; CAT 4 is unlikely and CAT 5 is highly improbable. But I'm doubting that Cat 2 will be stretching it, and so is the NHC, with forecast intensity at 100kts.


Hey Windy, Please re-read pp 11-12. Sounds like a mixup :wink:
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#226 Postby Gorky » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:01 pm

Windy wrote:
jschlitz wrote:
Gorky wrote:Let's see if Dereks Cat4 prediction comes through then. At this rate even that could be an underestimate :roll:


??

From Page one of this very thread:

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:14 am

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actually thats about 70-75KT surface

cat 3 now almost impossible. The winds have actually decreased from last night substantially. If the current trends continue, even cat 2 could be stretching it


You aren't paying much attention to the recon and the NHS discussion, are you?

Don't get me wrong; CAT 4 is unlikely and CAT 5 is highly improbable. But I'm doubting that Cat 2 will be stretching it, and so is the NHC, with forecast intensity at 100kts.



Heh.. I think you misread that last post. It was actually a quote from the first page, when this cane certainly looked a lot less healthy...
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#227 Postby clfenwi » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:04 pm

Observation Number: 22
Time transmitted: 2144Z
Position: 24.5 North // 95.5 West
Sea Level Pressure: 951 millibars
Surface wind speed and direction:n/a
925 millibar height: 241 meters
925 millibar winds: 119 knots // 100
850 millibar height: 982 meters
850 millibar winds: 119 knots // 115
700 millibar height: 2659 meters
700 millibar winds: 99 knots // 145

EYEWALL
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#228 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:08 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:yeah... things have changed drastically from this morning

however, not one nwhhc forecast in the last 72 hours has indicated anything less than a major hurricane at landfall


Well, there were at least 2 forecasts of only 95 kts at landfall made during the day yesterday:

HURRICANE EMILY DISCUSSION NUMBER 32
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM EDT MON JUL 18 2005

A NOAA HURRICANE HUNTER PLANE FLEW INTO EMILY TODAY AND CONFIRMED
THAT THE HURRICANE WEAKENED AS SUGGESTED BY SATELLITE IMAGERY. THE
MINIMUM PRESSURE ROSE TO 984 MB AND MAXIMUM WINDS MEASURED BY THE
SFMR SUPPORT ONLY A 65-KT HURRICANE. THE INNER CORE OF THE
HURRICANE WAS DISRUPTED OVER YUCATAN BUT SATELLITE STILL SHOWS
SEVERAL CYCLONICALLY CURVED CONVECTIVE BANDS WRAPPING AROUND THE
CENTER OF CIRCULATION WITH A FAIR OUTFLOW. THE HURRICANE WILL BEGIN
TO MOVE OVER THE WARMER WATERS...ABOUT 30 DEGREE CELSIUS...OF THE
WESTERN GULF OF MEXICO SOON AND THE SHEAR IS LOW ALONG THE TRACK.
IN ADDITION...ALL GLOBAL MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW THAT THE 200 MB
ANTICYLONE OVER EMILY WILL BECOME BETTER DEFINED. THEREFORE...
RE-STRENGTHENING IS ANTICIPATED. BECAUSE EMILY WEAKENED
SIGNIFICANTLY OVER YUCATAN...IT IS NOT CLEAR IF THE CYCLONE WILL
REACH THE COAST OF MEXICO AS A MAJOR HURRICANE...BUT IT IS
CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.

EMILY CONTINUES ON TRACK...ABOUT 295/14 KNOTS AROUND THE DEEP LAYER
MEAN HIGH OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC AND THE GULF OF MEXICO. THIS
HIGH IS FORECAST TO PERSIST AND COULD EVEN BUILD WESTWARD. THIS
PATTERN WOULD KEEP EMILY ON A GENERAL WEST-NORTHWEST TRACK UNTIL
LANDFALL OVER THE STATE OF TAMAULIPAS...NORTHEAST MEXICO IN ABOUT
24 TO 36 HOURS. ONLY A SMALL DEVIATION TO THE NORTH OF THE
TRACK...OR A HURRICANE LARGER THAN FORECAST...COULD BRING STRONGER
WINDS TO SOUTHERN TEXAS. THEREFORE...A HURRICANE WATCH AND A
TROPICAL STORM WARNING HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE LOWER
TEXAS COAST.

FORECASTER AVILA

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 18/2100Z 22.3N 91.0W 65 KT
12HR VT 19/0600Z 23.0N 93.0W 75 KT
24HR VT 19/1800Z 24.0N 95.5W 90 KT
36HR VT 20/0600Z 24.5N 98.0W 80 KT
48HR VT 20/1800Z 24.5N 100.5W 25 KT...REMNANT LOW
72HR VT 21/1800Z...DISSIPATED


=======================================

HURRICANE EMILY DISCUSSION NUMBER 33
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 PM EDT MON JUL 18 2005

DEEP CONVECTION HAS BEEN TRYING TO WRAP AROUND EMILY'S LARGE RAGGED
EYE...AND...ALTHOUGH CLOUD TOPS HAVE WARMED SOMEWHAT OVER THE PAST
FEW HOURS...THE SYSTEM APPEARS TO BE SLOWLY BECOMING BETTER
ORGANIZED. EVEN THOUGH THE CENTRAL PRESSURE HAS NOT YET
FALLEN...AIR FORCE HURRICANE HUNTERS FOUND PEAK 700 MB FLIGHT LEVEL
WINDS OF 90 KT IN THE NORTHEAST EYE WALL. THIS CORRESPONDS TO A
SURFACE WIND OF 80 KT...WHICH IS THE CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATE.
UPPER-LEVEL OUTFLOW HAS BECOME RATHER SYMMETRIC AS EMILY SHEDS THE
INFLUENCE OF A WEAKENING UPPER-LEVEL LOW TO ITS SOUTHWEST. THE
OFFICIAL FORECAST SHOWS ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING...SIMILAR TO THE
LATEST GFDL MODEL RUN. EMILY COULD BE APPROACHING MAJOR HURRICANE
STATUS PRIOR TO LANDFALL. AFTER LANDFALL...THE CYCLONE WILL WEAKEN
RAPIDLY OVER THE MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN OF MEXICO.

INITIAL MOTION HAS SLOWED A LITTLE AND IS ABOUT 300/13. ALL
AVAILABLE GLOBAL MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES THAT A MID-TROPOSPHERIC
RIDGE WILL PERSIST TO THE NORTH OF EMILY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF
DAYS. THIS STEERING PATTERN SHOULD MAINTAIN THE WEST-NORTHWESTWARD
MOTION UNTIL LANDFALL. THE 18Z GFS TRACK HAS SHIFTED A LITTLE TO
THE NORTH BUT THE OTHER GUIDANCE IS ESSENTIALLY UNCHANGED...AND IN
CLOSE AGREEMENT. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST TRACK IS SIMILAR TO THE
PREVIOUS ONE...ONLY SLIGHTLY SLOWER. THIS IS VERY CLOSE TO THE
LATEST DYNAMICAL MODEL CONSENSUS AND TO THE FSU SUPERENSEMBLE
TRACK.

NO CHANGES TO THE WATCHES AND WARNINGS ARE NECESSARY AT THIS TIME.

FORECASTER PASCH

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 19/0300Z 22.9N 92.1W 80 KT
12HR VT 19/1200Z 23.6N 93.9W 85 KT
24HR VT 20/0000Z 24.2N 96.2W 95 KT
36HR VT 20/1200Z 24.5N 98.5W 70 KT...INLAND
48HR VT 21/0000Z 24.5N 101.0W 25 KT...REMNANT LOW
72HR VT 22/0000Z...DISSIPATED
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#229 Postby jasons2k » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:11 pm

wxman57 wrote:
Derek Ortt wrote:yeah... things have changed drastically from this morning

however, not one nwhhc forecast in the last 72 hours has indicated anything less than a major hurricane at landfall


Well, there were at least 2 forecasts of only 95 kts at landfall made during the day yesterday:

HURRICANE EMILY DISCUSSION NUMBER 32
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM EDT MON JUL 18 2005

A NOAA HURRICANE HUNTER PLANE FLEW INTO EMILY TODAY AND CONFIRMED
THAT THE HURRICANE WEAKENED AS SUGGESTED BY SATELLITE IMAGERY. THE
MINIMUM PRESSURE ROSE TO 984 MB AND MAXIMUM WINDS MEASURED BY THE
SFMR SUPPORT ONLY A 65-KT HURRICANE. THE INNER CORE OF THE
HURRICANE WAS DISRUPTED OVER YUCATAN BUT SATELLITE STILL SHOWS
SEVERAL CYCLONICALLY CURVED CONVECTIVE BANDS WRAPPING AROUND THE
CENTER OF CIRCULATION WITH A FAIR OUTFLOW. THE HURRICANE WILL BEGIN
TO MOVE OVER THE WARMER WATERS...ABOUT 30 DEGREE CELSIUS...OF THE
WESTERN GULF OF MEXICO SOON AND THE SHEAR IS LOW ALONG THE TRACK.
IN ADDITION...ALL GLOBAL MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW THAT THE 200 MB
ANTICYLONE OVER EMILY WILL BECOME BETTER DEFINED. THEREFORE...
RE-STRENGTHENING IS ANTICIPATED. BECAUSE EMILY WEAKENED
SIGNIFICANTLY OVER YUCATAN...IT IS NOT CLEAR IF THE CYCLONE WILL
REACH THE COAST OF MEXICO AS A MAJOR HURRICANE...BUT IT IS
CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.

EMILY CONTINUES ON TRACK...ABOUT 295/14 KNOTS AROUND THE DEEP LAYER
MEAN HIGH OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC AND THE GULF OF MEXICO. THIS
HIGH IS FORECAST TO PERSIST AND COULD EVEN BUILD WESTWARD. THIS
PATTERN WOULD KEEP EMILY ON A GENERAL WEST-NORTHWEST TRACK UNTIL
LANDFALL OVER THE STATE OF TAMAULIPAS...NORTHEAST MEXICO IN ABOUT
24 TO 36 HOURS. ONLY A SMALL DEVIATION TO THE NORTH OF THE
TRACK...OR A HURRICANE LARGER THAN FORECAST...COULD BRING STRONGER
WINDS TO SOUTHERN TEXAS. THEREFORE...A HURRICANE WATCH AND A
TROPICAL STORM WARNING HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE LOWER
TEXAS COAST.

FORECASTER AVILA

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 18/2100Z 22.3N 91.0W 65 KT
12HR VT 19/0600Z 23.0N 93.0W 75 KT
24HR VT 19/1800Z 24.0N 95.5W 90 KT
36HR VT 20/0600Z 24.5N 98.0W 80 KT
48HR VT 20/1800Z 24.5N 100.5W 25 KT...REMNANT LOW
72HR VT 21/1800Z...DISSIPATED


=======================================

HURRICANE EMILY DISCUSSION NUMBER 33
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 PM EDT MON JUL 18 2005

DEEP CONVECTION HAS BEEN TRYING TO WRAP AROUND EMILY'S LARGE RAGGED
EYE...AND...ALTHOUGH CLOUD TOPS HAVE WARMED SOMEWHAT OVER THE PAST
FEW HOURS...THE SYSTEM APPEARS TO BE SLOWLY BECOMING BETTER
ORGANIZED. EVEN THOUGH THE CENTRAL PRESSURE HAS NOT YET
FALLEN...AIR FORCE HURRICANE HUNTERS FOUND PEAK 700 MB FLIGHT LEVEL
WINDS OF 90 KT IN THE NORTHEAST EYE WALL. THIS CORRESPONDS TO A
SURFACE WIND OF 80 KT...WHICH IS THE CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATE.
UPPER-LEVEL OUTFLOW HAS BECOME RATHER SYMMETRIC AS EMILY SHEDS THE
INFLUENCE OF A WEAKENING UPPER-LEVEL LOW TO ITS SOUTHWEST. THE
OFFICIAL FORECAST SHOWS ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING...SIMILAR TO THE
LATEST GFDL MODEL RUN. EMILY COULD BE APPROACHING MAJOR HURRICANE
STATUS PRIOR TO LANDFALL. AFTER LANDFALL...THE CYCLONE WILL WEAKEN
RAPIDLY OVER THE MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN OF MEXICO.

INITIAL MOTION HAS SLOWED A LITTLE AND IS ABOUT 300/13. ALL
AVAILABLE GLOBAL MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES THAT A MID-TROPOSPHERIC
RIDGE WILL PERSIST TO THE NORTH OF EMILY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF
DAYS. THIS STEERING PATTERN SHOULD MAINTAIN THE WEST-NORTHWESTWARD
MOTION UNTIL LANDFALL. THE 18Z GFS TRACK HAS SHIFTED A LITTLE TO
THE NORTH BUT THE OTHER GUIDANCE IS ESSENTIALLY UNCHANGED...AND IN
CLOSE AGREEMENT. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST TRACK IS SIMILAR TO THE
PREVIOUS ONE...ONLY SLIGHTLY SLOWER. THIS IS VERY CLOSE TO THE
LATEST DYNAMICAL MODEL CONSENSUS AND TO THE FSU SUPERENSEMBLE
TRACK.

NO CHANGES TO THE WATCHES AND WARNINGS ARE NECESSARY AT THIS TIME.

FORECASTER PASCH

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 19/0300Z 22.9N 92.1W 80 KT
12HR VT 19/1200Z 23.6N 93.9W 85 KT
24HR VT 20/0000Z 24.2N 96.2W 95 KT
36HR VT 20/1200Z 24.5N 98.5W 70 KT...INLAND
48HR VT 21/0000Z 24.5N 101.0W 25 KT...REMNANT LOW
72HR VT 22/0000Z...DISSIPATED


That's NHC; not NWHHC
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#230 Postby gkrangers » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:11 pm

wxman57 wrote:
Derek Ortt wrote:yeah... things have changed drastically from this morning

however, not one nwhhc forecast in the last 72 hours has indicated anything less than a major hurricane at landfall


Well, there were at least 2 forecasts of only 95 kts at landfall made during the day yesterday:
I think he's talking about his "Northwestern Hemishphere Hurricane Center"...
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#231 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:12 pm

jschlitz wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
Derek Ortt wrote:yeah... things have changed drastically from this morning

however, not one nwhhc forecast in the last 72 hours has indicated anything less than a major hurricane at landfall


Well, there were at least 2 forecasts of only 95 kts at landfall made during the day yesterday:



That's NHC; not NWHHC


Oh, never mind! Been a long day, what's a few letters between friends? ;-)
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#232 Postby Pebbles » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:13 pm

wxman57 wrote:
jschlitz wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
Derek Ortt wrote:yeah... things have changed drastically from this morning

however, not one nwhhc forecast in the last 72 hours has indicated anything less than a major hurricane at landfall


Well, there were at least 2 forecasts of only 95 kts at landfall made during the day yesterday:



That's NHC; not NWHHC


Oh, never mind! Been a long day, what's a few letters between friends? ;-)


*grins and hugs*
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#233 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:14 pm

its been a very long last 2 weeks with Dennis and Emily
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#234 Postby Brent » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:15 pm

Uh... is it just me or this going to be a lot closer to Brownsville??? I just pulled up GHCC and it's at 24.6 N now.
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#235 Postby jasons2k » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:15 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:its been a very long last 2 weeks with Dennis and Emily


Yeah, and don't forget to check the calendar too. That 7/19 looks like a 9/19 if you stare at it long enough.
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#236 Postby drezee » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:15 pm

A. 19/14:28:00Z
B. 23 deg 49 min N
094 deg 29 min W
C. 700 mb 2855 m
H. 972 mb

A. 19/18:01:50Z
B. 24 deg 06 min N
095 deg 06 min W
C. 700 mb 2755 m
H. 959 mb

13 mb in 3.5 hrs

A. 19/19:33:40Z
B. 24 deg 11 min N
095 deg 21 min W
C. 700 mb 2724 m
H. 956 mb

3 mb in 1.5hrs

A. 19/21:14:10Z
B. 24 deg 21 min N
095 deg 39 min W
C. 700 mb 2687 m
H. ZZZZ


A. 19/22:46:00Z
B. 24 deg 25 min N
095 deg 57 min W
C. 700 mb 2659 m
H. 949 mb


7mb in 3.20 hrs

23mb in 8.0 hrs

net motion: 37'' N 1' 28'' W
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#237 Postby Coldfront » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:23 pm

Does this set a record for the most MB drop in the shortest time period?




drezee wrote:A. 19/14:28:00Z
B. 23 deg 49 min N
094 deg 29 min W
C. 700 mb 2855 m
H. 972 mb

A. 19/18:01:50Z
B. 24 deg 06 min N
095 deg 06 min W
C. 700 mb 2755 m
H. 959 mb

13 mb in 3.5 hrs

A. 19/19:33:40Z
B. 24 deg 11 min N
095 deg 21 min W
C. 700 mb 2724 m
H. 956 mb

3 mb in 1.5hrs

A. 19/21:14:10Z
B. 24 deg 21 min N
095 deg 39 min W
C. 700 mb 2687 m
H. 942 mb

14mb in 1.75 hrs

30mb in 6.75 hrs

net motion: 33'' N 1' 10'' W
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#238 Postby Gorky » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:28 pm

I think Ivan had a 30 mb drop in 6 hours when it bombed from cat1 to cat4, so it's not completely unheard of. I'd be surprised if this was all that uncommon to be honest. The 14mb in 2 hours is what shocked me here :P
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#239 Postby gkrangers » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:33 pm

214
URNT12 KNHC 192136 CCA
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 19/22:00:00Z
B. 24 deg 21 min N
095 deg 39 min W
C. 700 mb 2687 m
D. 60 kt
E. 210 deg 014 nm
F. 302 deg 071 kt
G. 208 deg 012 nm
H. 942 mb
I. 14 C/ 3050 m
J. 18 C/ 3045 m
K. 10 C/ NA
L. CLOSED
M. E/09/20/16
N. 12345/ 7
O. 0.02 / 2 nm
P. AF307 2005A EMILY OB 19 CCA
MAX FL WIND 96 KT NW QUAD 19:39:00 Z

SONDE SLP MUCH LOWER THAN AIRCRAFT SFC HEIGHT MAYBE SUSPECT..
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#240 Postby Hyperstorm » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:34 pm

Just read a NHC report saying that the 942 mb Sea Level Pressure reading is suspect based on the heights in the storm.

I, too, find that pressure suspect as it is an incredible drop and the satellite presentation hasn't improved significantly over the past 2-3 hours...
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