so was Ivan really a Cat 3? at landfall

[jax]

If Camille's surge was due to its incredible size (And with the wind readings ive heard from it it seems as if it was massive) than that in my opinion there is no way it was a 200 mph cane with a 909 pressure at landfall....none of the large hurricanes have ever peaked at 200 mph, and the ones that came close were all sub 900 (Gilbert, Allen, Typhoon Tip, Etc).

Camille was if fact a very small compact storm...

Then people who live 50 to 60 miles from the center reporting 100 mph winds are mistaken.

nope... not mistaken...
the actual wind field was about 45-55 miles to the east and 20 to
the west...

[Normandy]

If the hurricane winds extended 55 miles to the east, then some 50-60 miles from the center wont experience 100 mph+ winds. Theyd likely experience 75-80 mph winds.

[Jim Cantore]

I've heard reported gusts in Biloxi near 223mph

[Jim Cantore]

No contest and without doubt Camille is the most powerful hurricane to hit the U.S (on record)

[Normandy]

No contest and without doubt Camille is the most powerful hurricane to hit the U.S (on record)

Please, The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane was far stronger windwise then Camille (Just my opinion as I think it was the only 200 mph hurricane and Camille was in the Andrew range of 175-180 mph). Unlike Camille, this one has the pressure to back up its intensity along with its small size.

[jax]

If the hurricane winds extended 55 miles to the east, then some 50-60 miles from the center wont experience 100 mph+ winds. Theyd likely experience 75-80 mph winds.

correct... with higher gusts...
Look Normandy... Camille was actually a small compact storm...
The higher surge has a lot to do with the "wedging affect of the
area... look at a map. All that water being blown west by the leading
winds had no outlet because if the finget of the Mississippi river
extending Southeast...

Allen and Gilbert were HUGE in total area... Camille wasn't... and
the winds did exceed 200mph...

[jax]

No contest and without doubt Camille is the most powerful hurricane to hit the U.S (on record)

Please, The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane was far stronger windwise then Camille (Just my opinion as I think it was the only 200 mph hurricane and Camille was in the Andrew range of 175-180 mph). Unlike Camille, this one has the pressure to back up its intensity along with its small size.

you are letting your location get in the way of facts...
Fact... the 1935 storm killed way too many people... horrible!
Camille was a more powerfull storm...

[Astro_man92]

I've heard reported gusts in Biloxi near 223mph

OH SURE!!!

[Astro_man92]

No contest and without doubt Camille is the most powerful hurricane to hit the U.S (on record)

Please, The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane was far stronger windwise then Camille (Just my opinion as I think it was the only 200 mph hurricane and Camille was in the Andrew range of 175-180 mph). Unlike Camille, this one has the pressure to back up its intensity along with its small size.

I heard recently that andrew had gusts well exceeding 200 MPH

[Normandy]

correct... with higher gusts...
Look Normandy... Camille was actually a small compact storm...
The higher surge has a lot to do with the "wedging affect of the
area... look at a map. All that water being blown west by the leading
winds had no outlet because if the finget of the Mississippi river
extending Southeast...

Allen and Gilbert were HUGE in total area... Camille wasn't... and
the winds did exceed 200mph...

No no no, im not talking gusts. Im talking sustained. Ive heard varied reports that Camille produced these sustained winds (of 100 mph) in Mobile and cities 50-60 miles from the center.

If those reports are true then Camille had a larger hurricane windfield then you indicate. And lets say I take your windfield to be exact....the pressure STILL doesnt support a 200 mph hurricane with that size. Its windfield would have to be that of a Charley to have 200 mph winds with a 909 pressure (Only because Charley was a borderline cat5 with a 943 pressure, so extrapolation at that size yields near 200 mph). Aside from gusts (which I SERIOUSLY question because i dont know of many anemometers that can record that kind of gust, but it may be true), i find it hard to believe Camille was anywhere near 200 mph.

[Normandy]

No contest and without doubt Camille is the most powerful hurricane to hit the U.S (on record)

Please, The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane was far stronger windwise then Camille (Just my opinion as I think it was the only 200 mph hurricane and Camille was in the Andrew range of 175-180 mph). Unlike Camille, this one has the pressure to back up its intensity along with its small size.

My location? Hah.
I presented fact, you just are set on giving Camille a title that she probably doesnt deserve. I want someone to show me a wind damage picture (IE a damage picture that was NOT caused by surge) that rivals Andrews F4 wind damage across Homestead and other areas in Florida.

[jax]

correct... with higher gusts...
Look Normandy... Camille was actually a small compact storm...
The higher surge has a lot to do with the "wedging affect of the
area... look at a map. All that water being blown west by the leading
winds had no outlet because if the finget of the Mississippi river
extending Southeast...

Allen and Gilbert were HUGE in total area... Camille wasn't... and
the winds did exceed 200mph...

No no no, im not talking gusts. Im talking sustained. Ive heard varied reports that Camille produced these sustained winds (of 100 mph) in Mobile and cities 50-60 miles from the center.

If those reports are true then Camille had a larger hurricane windfield then you indicate. And lets say I take your windfield to be exact....the pressure STILL doesnt support a 200 mph hurricane with that size. Its windfield would have to be that of a Charley to have 200 mph winds with a 909 pressure (Only because Charley was a borderline cat5 with a 943 pressure, so extrapolation at that size yields near 200 mph). Aside from gusts (which I SERIOUSLY question because i dont know of many anemometers that can record that kind of gust, but it may be true), i find it hard to believe Camille was anywhere near 200 mph.

ok.... you are right... Camille really only had 100mph winds and they
went all the way to pensacola... it was a HUGE WIDE storm with sustained
100mps winds accross it's entire windfield... no winds any higher than
that the 30+ foot tidal surge was actually just a fluke... there was a RARE GOM earthquake that met up with the 6 foot tidal surge Camille had
generated... You were right all along!

[Normandy]

correct... with higher gusts...
Look Normandy... Camille was actually a small compact storm...
The higher surge has a lot to do with the "wedging affect of the
area... look at a map. All that water being blown west by the leading
winds had no outlet because if the finget of the Mississippi river
extending Southeast...

Allen and Gilbert were HUGE in total area... Camille wasn't... and
the winds did exceed 200mph...

No no no, im not talking gusts. Im talking sustained. Ive heard varied reports that Camille produced these sustained winds (of 100 mph) in Mobile and cities 50-60 miles from the center.

If those reports are true then Camille had a larger hurricane windfield then you indicate. And lets say I take your windfield to be exact....the pressure STILL doesnt support a 200 mph hurricane with that size. Its windfield would have to be that of a Charley to have 200 mph winds with a 909 pressure (Only because Charley was a borderline cat5 with a 943 pressure, so extrapolation at that size yields near 200 mph). Aside from gusts (which I SERIOUSLY question because i dont know of many anemometers that can record that kind of gust, but it may be true), i find it hard to believe Camille was anywhere near 200 mph.

ok.... you are right... Camille really only had 100mph winds and they
went all the way to pensacola... it was a HUGE WIDE storm with sustained
100mps winds accross it's entire windfield... no winds any higher than
that the 30+ foot tidal surge was actually just a fluke... there was a RARE GOM earthquake that met up with the 6 foot tidal surge Camille had
generated... You were right all along!

And with that Ill end our discussion, because i wont discuss anyhting with someone who claims I said Camille only had 100 mph winds Add to that you dound defensive and whiny.

Anyways ill ask you show me a wind damage picture from Camille thats worse than Andrews wind damage.

[Scorpion]

No way Camille was 200 mph, maybe the 1935 Keys hurricane was. Camille was in the range of 170-175 mph. I have no idea where people get 200 mph from, as the best track indicated 190 mph and that was before landfall(the pressure rose).

[Normandy]

No way Camille was 200 mph, maybe the 1935 Keys hurricane was. Camille was in the range of 170-175 mph. I have no idea where people get 200 mph from, as the best track indicated 190 mph and that was before landfall(the pressure rose).

Agreed I dont even thinks its close to 200 mph.

Find me, I dare you, a worse picture of wind damage from Camille than this from Andrew.
http://flare.creighton.edu/martinelli/a ... andrew.jpg

[RU4REAL]

If I'm not mistaken the worst was the Atlantic/Gulf cane of 1919

[shaggy]

yes...whether the wind translated on land is irrelevant....recon measured 120mph at landfall....case closed...cat 3.

when isabel was coming ashore recon found flight level winds in the 140mph range but that didn't make it a cat 4 since those winds never made it to the ground

[Derek Ortt]

the 1935 hurricane is officially the most intense hurricane ever to have hit the USA. There is no doubt at all in the scientific community regarding this fact

[Ivanhater]

ivan was one of the most destructive hurricanes, it was a war zone here for a while

[Astro_man92]

No way Camille was 200 mph, maybe the 1935 Keys hurricane was. Camille was in the range of 170-175 mph. I have no idea where people get 200 mph from, as the best track indicated 190 mph and that was before landfall(the pressure rose).

Agreed I dont even thinks its close to 200 mph.

Find me, I dare you, a worse picture of wind damage from Camille than this from Andrew.
http://flare.creighton.edu/martinelli/a ... andrew.jpg

Gees it is almost as if andrew was a tropical tornado! It didn't leave anything standing! He meant buisness! and to think that he was the only hurricane in 1992.

I found my almonac the other day and it says that Andrew caused 20.0 billion dollars in damage. It was the costliest natural disaster in US history. As of 2001 the second place disaster was the northridge earthquake (12.5 Billion) third Hugo (7.0 billion) and 4th is Betsy (6.5 billion)

I can't find any curent info can some one give me a link?