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Re: Southeast Texas Hurricane Landfall

#21 Postby BayouVenteux » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:43 pm

southerngale wrote:Some of you may think I'm crazy, but I was just wondering how others in this area felt. In my meteorologically challenged opinion, I feel pretty safe in my location, at least from this point on. (a little less in June and July) The last system that affected us was Allison, and that was the worst tropical storm in history, and was early June. Allison caused problems for me, and worse problems for others. I'm more talking about hurricanes. The last hurricane to make a direct hit here was Hurricane Bonnie in 1986, a strong cat.1, borderline cat.2, also in June.
Bonnie was bad enough and my family was without power for many days, close to a week I believe. The eye went over my house and my dad and a few neighbors moved a tree that blocked our street during that time, if I remember correctly. We suffered some damage, but nothing major. I recall watching those tall pine trees sway back and forth, knowing one was going to crush our house, and us, at any moment. I'd hear a snap, close my eyes and wait. Fortunately, that didn't happen.

Anyway, since that time, we've been threatened (and evacuations were ordered) for Andrew in 1992 and Lili in 2002. They both turned and hit Louisiana and didn't affect us. Other possible threats have turned to the east or hit further south along the central Texas coast, deep south Texas or Mexico. Of course I know that it could happen, I'm just saying that it seems like either the ridge is so strong, it sends them further south or a trough picks them up and they go east. Maybe I'm in one of the ideal locations along the Gulf Coast? Don't get me wrong...I always prepare. I'm stocked up on food, batteries, etc. although if it's bad enough, I'll evacuate anyway. I was just thinking about what the conditions would need to be for one to come this way. I know it's happened before and yes, I know it's possible and it only takes one...yada yada, all that. But I can't help but feel somewhat safe here as the ridge or trough always seems to be our friend (unfortunately, not for others who get the storm) and just wondered if others from this area felt anything similar. Or maybe I'm just nuts...


Actually, I tend to agree with you SG, based on most of the analog years being used to predict this year's number of storms, and by those willing to put their necks out there, the geographic regional landfall forecasts. I am also of the humble opinion that, based on what I've seen published, the area comprising the roughly 3/4 of Louisiana coast west of Grand Isle to the Sabine River is also at less risk this year from a hurricane landfall. I'm certainly not foolish enough to think we're 100% "all clear" from a threat this season, but the general consensus among the Gary Grays, Independent Wx, Joe Bastardis, et.al. of the tropical weather world, seems to be pointing to the eastern 1/2 of the Gulf, SE Atlantic coast, and Caribbean islands as the places to watch in the "second half" of this unprecedented (in our lifetimes anyway) hurricane season.

We'll see!
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Re: Southeast Texas Hurricane Landfall

#22 Postby southerngale » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:53 pm

dwg71 wrote:Of course anything can happen, but I think after reviewing the links I would put my unscientific chances as follows:

For Hurricane to strike SE TX coast Freeport to LA/TX border.

June: 10%
July: 30%
August : 40%
Sept: 15%
Oct: 5%

This if a hurricane had to make landfall in this area this is what I would say would be the likely time of that storm.


I'm not looking at statistics but I think more have hit that particular area in June than September. I think I'll look it up later though because you may be right. But I can just think of more June canes than September ones. (but I'm not Perry. lol)
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#23 Postby Swimdude » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:36 pm

I'm honestly not worried at all. Last Houston hurricane was 1983. And I wasn't even alive for that.
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#24 Postby southerngale » Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:27 am

I was looking for something else and came across this. Pretty interesting...

Up Close: 'Tis the season for a hurricane to hit Texas?

09:56 AM CDT on Wednesday, July 27, 2005

By Dave Fehling / 11 News

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How busy has this hurricane season been so far? Bill Reid, at the National Weather Service in Dickinson, usually catches up on paperwork during July -- but not this summer.

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There have been seven named storms already this year, and they've been unusually powerful.

"Pattern in July is more indicative of what you see in August," he says.

There have been seven named storms already this year, and they've been unusually powerful.

Dr. Neil Frank, former head of the National Hurricane Center, hasn't seen anything quite like it. "The strongest storm we've ever seen this early in the season was Dennis and then we had Emily, and that was even stronger than Dennis," he says.

So what's going on here? Is there anything about the climate this summer that makes us destined to have a really nasty hurricane season? Is there anything to indicate that this summer, the odds are better that Houston will take a direct hit?"

Some of the answers are out in the Atlantic.

Its waters entered a warm cycle about 10 years ago. "Its the heat that drives the hurricanes," Reid says.

Warmer water means more hurricanes.

The last time the Atlantic was in the warm cycle was in the 1930s through the early 1960s.

What happened then?

"Three of these were major hurricanes," says Reid.

Texas got hit repeatedly in the 1940s. It was similar to what happened in Florida last year.

"We had four hurricanes hit Florida last year. Everybody said I've never seen anything like that. Listen, in the 40s and 50s we had a lot of hurricanes in Florida," says Dr. Frank.

Therein lies the Texas mystery of this current warm cycle. While there have been lots of storms, why have so few Hurricanes actually made landfall in Texas?

"And so far in this warm period, we've been in it 10 years, and we've only experienced one hurricane. So I'm very concerned that hurricanes are going to return to Texas, and certainly southeast Texas, as we progress through this warm period," Dr. Frank says.

That is where the experts hit the limits of forecasting. Because while they can estimate the likely number of hurricanes before the season starts, there's no predicting the likely track of any of them until they form.

The weather service's Reid warns that it can happen quicker than you might think.

"Those that form in the Gulf like that are my biggest concern, having one blow up like Alicia did but maybe stronger," says Reid.

Alicia was the 1983 hurricane that formed off Louisiana and just three days later hit Houston, killing 21 people and doing $2 billion in damage.

But why, since then, with the warm water cycle, has Texas seemingly dodged so many other storms?

"Well, there's probably an answer. We're just not smart enough to know what that answer is," Dr. Frank says.

Whatever the solution to the Texas mystery, the experts say there's no excuse not to watch and respect any storm that makes it into the Gulf this hurricane season.

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#25 Postby george_r_1961 » Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:50 am

Kelly many felt safe here in Virginia because "hurricanes dont hit here they always go out to sea". On September 18 2003 Isabel proved that we are NOT safe. I know its been awhile since a major hurricane has hit there but living along the GOM one must always be on guard every season for the unexpected.
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#26 Postby southerngale » Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:31 am

Good point, George. But I do always prepare and since I'm on storm2k so much anyway, I'd definitely know if there was a threat. People around here call me for information. lol

I was just saying that I don't *think* one will come here and I gave my reasons why. They may not be good reasons and they may seem naive, but that's just how I feel. It certainly doesn't mean I don't prepare or wouldn't heed warnings, but I can look at history, specifically more recent history, and see that areas to my east and west have more landfalling hurricanes. We do get our fair share of tropical storms though.
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#27 Postby susan » Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:52 pm

Actually, the last storm that hit the Houston/Galveston area was Dean which hit in October 1989. Here are the stats for storms hitting the Galveston area within 100 miles since the late 1800's (approximate)

August --14
September--13
October--4

So you see we are not out of the woods as of yet...1900 Storm was September, 1915 storm was August as well as 1983's Alicia...All of us in this area feel really safe because we have not seen anything major in over 20 years.
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#28 Postby jasons2k » Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:45 pm

Southergale:

Thanks for the Neil Frank article. That last quote of his just reinforces why I like him so much!

Susan, thanks for posting those stats. The dropoff occurs in October...but Dean was not the latest one.
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#29 Postby Galvestongirl » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:28 pm

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#30 Postby Galvestongirl » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:29 pm

I do wonder what conditions would be ideal for that to happen though, considering the ridge and trough scenarios I mentioned above.


bumping this in hopes someone can answer, I find it an interesting question and have wondered that same question.
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#31 Postby deltadog03 » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:31 pm

a ridge would have to be anchored pretty much over the TN/GA line...somewhere around in that area...that would allow for the MEAN flow into TX...hope this helps
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#32 Postby Galvestongirl » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:34 pm

Thanks, it does...I appreciate your reply
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#33 Postby deltadog03 » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:35 pm

your welcome...anything for my fellow TX's...lol
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#34 Postby jasons2k » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:19 pm

Heck Yeah Texans!

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HOUSTON'S PERFECT STORM

#35 Postby TexasF6 » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:01 pm

Read this not so long ago...sounds more interesting now that we may run out of names this year..... :eek:
Feb. 20, 2005, 1:09AM
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Models show 'massive devastation' in Houston

Damages could cost up to $50 billion -- 10 times Allison's cost
By ERIC BERGER
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

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Houston's perfect storm would feed on late summer's warm waters as it barreled northward across the Gulf of Mexico, slamming into the coast near Freeport.

A landfall here would allow its powerful upper-right quadrant, where the waves move in the same direction as the storm, to overflow Galveston Bay. Within an hour or two, a storm surge, topping out at 20 feet or more, would flood the homes of 600,000 people in Harris County. The surge also would block the natural drainage of flooded inland bayous and streams for a day or more.

Coastal residents who ignored warnings to flee would have no hope of escape as waters swelled and winds roiled around their homes. Very likely, hundreds, perhaps even thousands, would die.

Meanwhile, as the storm moved over western Harris County, its most dangerous winds, well in excess of 120 mph even inland, would lash the Interstate 45 corridor, including Clear Lake, the Texas Medical Center and downtown.

Many older buildings could not withstand such winds.

Anything not tied down, from trees to mobile homes to light poles, would become missiles, surreally tumbling and flying through the air, flattening small houses, shattering skyscraper windows and puncturing roofs.

"Unfortunately, we're looking at massive devastation," said Roy Dodson, president of the engineering firm Dodson & Associates, which Harris County asked to model realistic "worst-case scenarios" for a major hurricane hitting the area.

Dodson's firm modeled more than 100 storms of varying power, speed and landfall. It concluded that a large Category 4 or Category 5 -- a storm only moderately larger than the four that struck Florida last summer -- would cause as much as $40 billion to $50 billion in damage. That's 10 times the cost of Tropical Storm Allison and approximately the city of Houston's entire budget for the next 15 years.

And this wasn't an academic exercise. Of the 17 Category 4 and Category 5 storms that have struck the United States since 1900, three, all Category 4 storms, have hit the Greater Houston area -- unnamed storms in 1900 and 1915 and Carla in 1961.



Coastal development

With considerable coastal development since then and lower elevations because of groundwater pumping, no one knows what will happen when a major storm hits. But what's clear is that models of a hurricane's three modes of destruction -- winds, storm surge and inland flooding from heavy rainfall -- offer little comfort.

With sustained winds between 131 mph and 155 mph, the power of a Category 4 storm exceeds that of most building codes.

Houston's commercial building rules call for structures to withstand three-second bursts of at least 110 mph, said Dennis Wittry, managing director of Houston Structural Operations at Walter P. Moore, an engineering firm.

Newer skyscrapers, including many built during Houston's downtown boom in the '80s, were modeled in wind tunnels to determine their performance in extreme weather events. Most should survive the storm, Wittry said. And the downtown window loss like that experienced during Hurricane Alicia, a Category 3 storm that struck in 1983, actually could be less in a bigger storm.

That's because roofs that were then anchored by gravel -- which become bullets in high winds -- are now held down by specialized concrete that should not blow off, Wittry said.

Residential homes, built with less exacting standards and lesser materials, would fare worse.

"You'll definitely see more significant damage in residential construction," he said. "Lower-end homes, or some homes in older areas, would probably be completely destroyed."

Tie-downs, a structural device that prevents wind blowing over a structure, creating a vortex and sucking off the roof, have been mandatory only since the late 1980s, Wittry said.

Various studies of a large storm hitting the Houston area have estimated that 100,000 to 125,000 homes would be destroyed.



20-foot wall of water


More devastation would be caused by winds blowing over the Gulf of Mexico and pushing surface water inland -- creating up to a 20-foot storm surge. Such a wall of water would swamp most development near Galveston Bay, including Texas City, Kemah and Johnson Space Center. Varying levels of water would flood much of the area between Sam Houston Parkway and the bay.

On Galveston Island, the seawall could hold back much of the storm surge, but at some point the water would creep onto the island from the bay side. The island's highest point is just 22 feet above sea level.

Much like a river becomes deeper and more turbulent when it narrows, a storm surge also can increase in height and intensity when its source of water narrows. Dodson said this has profound implications for the Port of Houston. Some models ended with a 30-foot wall of water in the Ship Channel near the port's turning basin, he said. "It would be huge," he said. "It could overwhelm chemical storage facilities, water treatment plants and other sensitive areas."

The port's severe-weather plan calls for most cargo ships to exit the facility and weather the storm at sea in preparation for the possibility of flooded buildings.


Wave modeling
Another, perhaps even-now-unanticipated effect is large waves accompanying the storm surge.

A waves expert at Texas A&M University at Galveston, Vijay Panchang, said he and colleagues were surprised when they observed wave data associated with Hurricane Ivan shortly before it slammed into Alabama last September.

A wave-measuring buoy about 60 miles south of Dauphin Island, before it snapped, registered an average wave height of about 50 feet, Panchang said. That means the biggest waves were a staggering 100 feet tall. Such wave heights, according to his modeling, should only occur every 300 years or so.

Either Ivan's waves were a freak event, or hurricane forecasters may need to adjust their wave expectations for large storms in the warm Gulf waters.

"This is from a storm that hit only a few hundred miles to the east of us," he said. "There's nothing to say that another storm won't create really big waves for us."

These large waves caused by Ivan may have been as responsible, if not more so, than the storm surge for severely damaging the I-10 bridge bear Pensacola, Fla., Panchang said.



Surprises after landfall

Engineers and forecasters say the most unpredictable element of a storm comes after landfall, when it either dumps rain and floods creeks and bayous or moves quickly enough that relatively little rain falls.

Tropical Storm Allison probably isn't a good model for what to expect. The system was so poorly organized and slow moving that some hurricane forecasters say it wasn't a tropical storm. In some areas of the city, enough rain fell to classify Allison as a 10,000-year rainfall event. Still, because a large hurricane's storm surge likely would block the flow of bayou waters into Galveston Bay, any significant rainfall could back up into inland streets and homes quickly, Dodson said.

The last major hurricane most Houston residents remember was Alicia, which made landfall on the west end of Galveston Island in August 1983.

Unfortunately, planners say, as devastating as that storm was, it's a poor predictor of what to expect from a larger, Category 4 or bigger storm.

Alicia's highest sustained winds on land were measured at 96 mph. Most of the Greater Houston area received just 5 inches of rain. Storm surges across much of the area were less than 10 feet, although Seabrook measured 12 feet.

The storm spawned 23 tornadoes, killed 21 people and destroyed 2,300 homes.

"Alicia was a marginal Category 3," Dodson said. "Its rainfall doesn't come close to this area's top 20 historical floods.

"I guess what I'm saying is that I hope people don't ignore evacuation warnings because they remember that things weren't apocalyptic during Alicia."

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#36 Postby Shoshana » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:02 pm

^ LoL ... I see Lance, I see Austin, Austin, Dallas ... but no Houston pics!

I like the Austin and Dallas pics alot.

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#37 Postby jasons2k » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:05 pm

Bottom shot is Houston
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#38 Postby Shoshana » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:06 pm

my bad :blush: the green building threw me off (yeah right. I had a brain fart ;) )

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#39 Postby jasons2k » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:11 pm

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#40 Postby TexasF6 » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:14 pm

Love Austin....it is home!!! :D :wink: ....we'll enjoy the flash floods.....from y'alls cat 4-5 :eek:
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