TS Irene=Comments,Sat Pics,Models Thread

This is the general tropical discussion area. Anyone can take their shot at predicting a storms path.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Forum rules

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K. For official information, please refer to products from the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service.

Help Support Storm2K
Message
Author
NastyCat4

#921 Postby NastyCat4 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:03 pm

You do realize NHC is showing a west track at the end of their forecast? Thats right along DT's thoughts.

DT knows his stuff.


Anybody who'd have the audacity to replay Andrew for shock value isn't a responsible met. The NHC isn't endorsing rapid intensification, and is somewhat hedging on a Western track in the first place. It is hard to track a weak depression based on computer models.
0 likes   

WeatherEmperor
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 4806
Age: 41
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:54 pm
Location: South Florida

#922 Postby WeatherEmperor » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:03 pm

Im just curious as to when if at all Irene will get into a more favorable environment.

<RICKY>
0 likes   

jkt21787
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2061
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:27 pm
Location: Memphis, TN

#923 Postby jkt21787 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:06 pm

NastyCat4 wrote:
You do realize NHC is showing a west track at the end of their forecast? Thats right along DT's thoughts.

DT knows his stuff.


Anybody who'd have the audacity to replay Andrew for shock value isn't a responsible met. The NHC isn't endorsing rapid intensification, and is somewhat hedging on a Western track in the first place. It is hard to track a weak depression based on computer models.

He is a professional, and is generally very good in his forecasts. He is not trying to sensationalize the storm, in fact the board he posted on is home to dozens of pro mets in all sectors of the business. Many of them agree with him as well. He said its only a 25% chance of a cat4, and Andew was a 5. He is not calling for an Andrew, he said intensification, possibly rapid, is possible in the area where it happened with Andrew. He said its only 50/50 for even a cat 3.
0 likes   

User avatar
deltadog03
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 3580
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:16 pm
Location: Macon, GA

#924 Postby deltadog03 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:06 pm

as it heads west or wnw the enviorment will become increasingly favorable...not to mention is the ridge really builds in...
0 likes   

User avatar
Tampa Bay Hurricane
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 5597
Age: 37
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:54 pm
Location: St. Petersburg, FL

#925 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:08 pm

NastyCat4- I don't think DT's intention was to replay Andrew for shock value. He sincerely believes what he is forecasting, and he's a very good meteorologist. I understand your point about sensationalism, but I do not believe that DT was using this as a motive in his forecasting.
Last edited by Tampa Bay Hurricane on Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
0 likes   

clfenwi
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 3331
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:54 pm

#926 Postby clfenwi » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:08 pm

Latest GFDL output... manages to not kill off Irene...

WHXX04 KWBC 092322
CHGQLM
ATTENTION...NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER

NCEP COUPLED GFDL HURRICANE MODEL FORECAST MADE FOR

TROPICAL DEPRESSION IRENE 09L

INITIAL TIME 18Z AUG 9

DISCLAIMER ... THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS GUIDANCE. IT
REQUIRES INTERPRETATION BY HURRICANE SPECIALISTS AND SHOULD
NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A FINAL PRODUCT. PLEASE SEE THE TPC/NHC
OFFICIAL FORECAST.


FORECAST STORM POSITION

HOUR LATITUDE LONGITUDE HEADING/SPEED(KT)

0 22.2 54.1 270./ 6.0
6 23.0 55.0 309./11.4
12 23.2 56.0 283./ 9.5
18 24.3 57.1 315./14.8
24 24.9 58.6 293./14.8
30 25.5 59.8 295./12.4
36 26.0 61.3 287./14.4
42 26.3 62.6 284./11.9
48 27.0 63.5 309./10.9
54 27.7 64.2 315./ 8.7
60 28.2 64.9 307./ 8.3
66 28.9 65.3 330./ 8.2
72 29.5 65.5 339./ 5.8
78 29.9 65.5 5./ 4.5
84 30.2 65.5 0./ 3.2
90 30.5 65.3 31./ 2.8
96 30.6 65.2 25./ 1.4
102 30.7 65.5 283./ 2.0
108 30.7 66.0 270./ 4.7
114 30.8 66.4 281./ 3.7
120 30.9 66.9 286./ 4.6
126 31.1 67.4 291./ 4.4
0 likes   

jkt21787
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2061
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:27 pm
Location: Memphis, TN

#927 Postby jkt21787 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:10 pm

Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:NastyCat4- I don't think DT's intention was to replay Andrew for shock value. He sincerely believes what he is forecasting, and he's a very good meteorologist. I understand your point about sensationalism, but I do not believe that DT is using this as a motive in his forecasting.

Yes, DT does not use sensationalism in his forecasting. Nastycat4 is very new obviously by his/her number of posts, so this person doesn't know that.

DT can be a little crude in his language, but hyping is something he has NEVER done. All of his forecasts that I've seen have been based on have been backed by logical data from models and other sources.
0 likes   

WeatherEmperor
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 4806
Age: 41
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:54 pm
Location: South Florida

#928 Postby WeatherEmperor » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:11 pm

clfenwi wrote:Latest GFDL output... manages to not kill off Irene...

WHXX04 KWBC 092322
CHGQLM
ATTENTION...NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER

NCEP COUPLED GFDL HURRICANE MODEL FORECAST MADE FOR

TROPICAL DEPRESSION IRENE 09L

INITIAL TIME 18Z AUG 9

DISCLAIMER ... THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS GUIDANCE. IT
REQUIRES INTERPRETATION BY HURRICANE SPECIALISTS AND SHOULD
NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A FINAL PRODUCT. PLEASE SEE THE TPC/NHC
OFFICIAL FORECAST.


FORECAST STORM POSITION

HOUR LATITUDE LONGITUDE HEADING/SPEED(KT)

0 22.2 54.1 270./ 6.0
6 23.0 55.0 309./11.4
12 23.2 56.0 283./ 9.5
18 24.3 57.1 315./14.8
24 24.9 58.6 293./14.8
30 25.5 59.8 295./12.4
36 26.0 61.3 287./14.4
42 26.3 62.6 284./11.9
48 27.0 63.5 309./10.9
54 27.7 64.2 315./ 8.7
60 28.2 64.9 307./ 8.3
66 28.9 65.3 330./ 8.2
72 29.5 65.5 339./ 5.8
78 29.9 65.5 5./ 4.5
84 30.2 65.5 0./ 3.2
90 30.5 65.3 31./ 2.8
96 30.6 65.2 25./ 1.4
102 30.7 65.5 283./ 2.0
108 30.7 66.0 270./ 4.7
114 30.8 66.4 281./ 3.7
120 30.9 66.9 286./ 4.6
126 31.1 67.4 291./ 4.4


lol thats a first.

<RICKY>
0 likes   

NorthGaWeather

#929 Postby NorthGaWeather » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:12 pm

NastyCat4 wrote:
You do realize NHC is showing a west track at the end of their forecast? Thats right along DT's thoughts.

DT knows his stuff.


Anybody who'd have the audacity to replay Andrew for shock value isn't a responsible met. The NHC isn't endorsing rapid intensification, and is somewhat hedging on a Western track in the first place. It is hard to track a weak depression based on computer models.


You can't forecast rapid intensification and their have been several times a storm has rapidly intensified when not expected. And to the hedging on the west track comment...the NHC isn't do as you say. Perhaps you should reread the 5pm discussion, which was laid out well.
0 likes   

jkt21787
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2061
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:27 pm
Location: Memphis, TN

#930 Postby jkt21787 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:14 pm

NorthGaWeather wrote:
NastyCat4 wrote:
You do realize NHC is showing a west track at the end of their forecast? Thats right along DT's thoughts.

DT knows his stuff.


Anybody who'd have the audacity to replay Andrew for shock value isn't a responsible met. The NHC isn't endorsing rapid intensification, and is somewhat hedging on a Western track in the first place. It is hard to track a weak depression based on computer models.


You can't forecast rapid intensification and their have been several times a storm has rapidly intensified when not expected. And to the hedging on the west track comment...the NHC isn't do as you say. Perhaps you should reread the 5pm discussion, which was laid out well.

Very true.

Nastycat4 should look at the NHC forecast. He/she says they trust them, but they should at least be aware of the actual forecast first. Also, someone saying NHC is "hedging" sure doesn't sound like they are trustworthy of them.
0 likes   

User avatar
skysummit
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 5305
Age: 49
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:09 pm
Location: Ponchatoula, LA
Contact:

#931 Postby skysummit » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:15 pm

All we've been hearing so far are Florida and the Carolinas. Doesn't anyone realize that Savannah, Ga. is in the middle of this? Right now Savannah has the same chance of a landfall as anyone else from Florida to Virginia.
0 likes   

clfenwi
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 3331
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:54 pm

#932 Postby clfenwi » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:19 pm

09/2345 UTC 22.2N 54.5W T2.0/2.0 IRENE -- Atlantic Ocean

Latest SSD position/intensity estimate
0 likes   

User avatar
Thunder44
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 5922
Age: 44
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:53 pm
Location: New York City

#933 Postby Thunder44 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:19 pm

jkt21787 wrote:
Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:NastyCat4- I don't think DT's intention was to replay Andrew for shock value. He sincerely believes what he is forecasting, and he's a very good meteorologist. I understand your point about sensationalism, but I do not believe that DT is using this as a motive in his forecasting.

Yes, DT does not use sensationalism in his forecasting. Nastycat4 is very new obviously by his/her number of posts, so this person doesn't know that.

DT can be a little crude in his language, but hyping is something he has NEVER done. All of his forecasts that I've seen have been based on have been backed by logical data from models and other sources.


I seem to remember some blizzards he has hyped in the past several years for the northeast that never happened. Of course it seems that everybody else has forgotten that. :roll:
0 likes   

User avatar
deltadog03
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 3580
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:16 pm
Location: Macon, GA

#934 Postby deltadog03 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:20 pm

is that where the 00z mods intialize it?? thats a little further south and a tad west..than 5p
0 likes   

User avatar
Hyperstorm
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1500
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:48 am
Location: Ocala, FL

#935 Postby Hyperstorm » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:21 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Irene looks like she is weaker then that invest 94L(Unnamed tropical storm that hit the outterbanks on 26th of June) There is no putting them together. Because Irene looks sick.


It has disorganized convection...YES. But the system is still undergoing structural changes. What's important now is that Irene has a vigorous MLC that could make it down to the surface overnight. Convection should re-fire back during the night. Just wait and see. Once convection gets going, there really isn't anything to stop her from intensifying slowly, but steadily...
Last edited by Hyperstorm on Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
0 likes   

User avatar
Ivanhater
Storm2k Moderator
Storm2k Moderator
Posts: 11162
Age: 38
Joined: Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:25 am
Location: Pensacola

#936 Postby Ivanhater » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:21 pm

clfenwi wrote:09/2345 UTC 22.2N 54.5W T2.0/2.0 IRENE -- Atlantic Ocean

Latest SSD position/intensity estimate



wow, .4s and .1w
0 likes   

gkrangers

#937 Postby gkrangers » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:22 pm

Thunder44 wrote:
jkt21787 wrote:
Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:NastyCat4- I don't think DT's intention was to replay Andrew for shock value. He sincerely believes what he is forecasting, and he's a very good meteorologist. I understand your point about sensationalism, but I do not believe that DT is using this as a motive in his forecasting.

Yes, DT does not use sensationalism in his forecasting. Nastycat4 is very new obviously by his/her number of posts, so this person doesn't know that.

DT can be a little crude in his language, but hyping is something he has NEVER done. All of his forecasts that I've seen have been based on have been backed by logical data from models and other sources.


I seem to remember some blizzards he has hyped in the past several years for the northeast that never happened. Of course it seems that everybody else has forgotten that. :roll:
OMG you mean a meteorologist was WRONG?!?!?!

STOP THE PRESSES!

Since when are they perfect ?

A lot of the stuff DT posts is pure speculation. Not actual real life forecasts. And that is what boards like S2K and Eastern are for. Weather lovers to discuss all the possibilities...
0 likes   

User avatar
millibar
Tropical Depression
Tropical Depression
Posts: 62
Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2003 7:11 pm
Location: Wilmington, NC

#938 Postby millibar » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:24 pm

Hey Eddie and Storms in NC,
Hopefully we'll miss another one, but this one's spooky.
Storms, caught any whoppers lately??? :D

Chuck
0 likes   

jkt21787
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2061
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:27 pm
Location: Memphis, TN

#939 Postby jkt21787 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:26 pm

gkrangers wrote:
Thunder44 wrote:
jkt21787 wrote:
Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:NastyCat4- I don't think DT's intention was to replay Andrew for shock value. He sincerely believes what he is forecasting, and he's a very good meteorologist. I understand your point about sensationalism, but I do not believe that DT is using this as a motive in his forecasting.

Yes, DT does not use sensationalism in his forecasting. Nastycat4 is very new obviously by his/her number of posts, so this person doesn't know that.

DT can be a little crude in his language, but hyping is something he has NEVER done. All of his forecasts that I've seen have been based on have been backed by logical data from models and other sources.


I seem to remember some blizzards he has hyped in the past several years for the northeast that never happened. Of course it seems that everybody else has forgotten that. :roll:
OMG you mean a meteorologist was WRONG?!?!?!

STOP THE PRESSES!

Since when are they perfect ?

A lot of the stuff DT posts is pure speculation. Not actual real life forecasts. And that is what boards like S2K and Eastern are for. Weather lovers to discuss all the possibilities...

Exactly, come on folks, no forecast is 100%, it is a lot of times speculation just backed up by the models and data which can be wrong too. DT doesn't hype though, he is being very real. His info is backed by the data, but the data CAN be wrong. Forecasts bust all the time, and we know it. DT's does, NHC's does, and any forecaster's can and does.

Also, most people on a weather board know how to take such forecasts and not go crazy over it. DT, or any other pro met, wouldn't nor shouldn't post such forecasts for the entire public to see.
Last edited by jkt21787 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.
0 likes   

User avatar
Astro_man92
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1493
Joined: Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:26 am
Contact:

#940 Postby Astro_man92 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:26 pm

Can hurricane be influenced by the time of day????
0 likes   


Return to “Talkin' Tropics”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: dl20415, HurricaneBelle, Kludge, Pelicane, SconnieCane, Stratton23 and 106 guests