Florida

[stormwriter]

Webster's College Dictionary explanation of "eating crow":

To eat crow means 'to suffer humiliation', and specifically 'to be forced to admit to having made an error, as by retracting an emphatic statement'. An example from the mystery writer "Ellery Queen" in 1930: "I should merely be making an ass of myself if I accused someone and then had to eat crow."

Crows are notoriously disagreeable birds, in every respect. Scavengers, they are not suitable for eating. An old joke among outdoorsmen holds that if you get lost in the woods without any food and manage to catch a crow, you should put it in a pot with one of your boots, boil it for a week, and then eat the boot. Eating crow, therefore, is an especially unpleasant and humiliating thing to have to do.

The expression to eat crow is surprisingly recent. It is originally and still chiefly an Americanism, first found in the mid nineteenth century. The original form was to eat boiled crow.

[gatorcane]

thanks for the def

[WeatherEmperor]

now I know. And knowing is half the battle. GI Joe!!

<RICKY>

[Scorpion]

Gonna be an East Coast storm. Maybe a minimal hurricane.

[floridahurricaneguy]

So much for conditions getting better for less fish. If ridge collasped then Florida is safe for a while? Is expected to get stronger again?

Matt

[Canelaw99]

Don't know but I just saw a Crow dragging a advertisement that said EAT MORE CHICKEN....Don't know what that was about...

Now, THAT was funny

[gpickett00]

the models shifted west for the next 2 days but after that it still goes north. that doesnt put Fl in the path any more than it was

[elysium]

No, the ridge will weaken further. What collapsed was the intensification of the ridge. It was looking very good for a while there. It really looked like the subtropical ridge would build in more resolutely, and the western periphery would not only be reinforced from the east, but also from the west. Now true, reinforcement from the west will arrive on day 5 to help support the ridge, but the ridge is so futilely weak that unless the subtropical ridge does a sudden reversal, all that will be in place will be a marginal 500 mb. So the strong ridge only exists on paper.

By the way, this effectively terminates Irene. Without strong ridging, other things go flooey that result in a very weak system. This is not to say that Irene won't be something to track. Irene will almost definately at least skirt the mid-atlantic as a minimal hurricane; has an outside chance to make landfall. But it's important to realize that this will be a very weak system. By that time most of us here will have long have dropped Irene in preference of turning our attention onto the ITCZ which is promising good action in the coming days. Having some ridge problems here too though. Timing will be a crucial factor. We will need to pay particular attention to forward speed of these new systems, especially the one now exiting the African coast. The ridge will have to build in to the west as this system moves west late in the forecast period. There's a southerly tracker too to follow. It has developmental problems this hour, but that could change. Both these systems have reasonable chances.

A powerful Hurricane Irene has vanished. We now must turn our attention eastward, while only tracking Irene as a minimal system with no prospects of devloping beyond that. Irene will never fully develop. We must move on.

[TampaFl]

No, the ridge will weaken further. What collapsed was the intensification of the ridge. It was looking very good for a while there. It really looked like the subtropical ridge would build in more resolutely, and the western periphery would not only be reinforced from the east, but also from the west. Now true, reinforcement from the west will arrive on day 5 to help support the ridge, but the ridge is so futilely weak that unless the subtropical ridge does a sudden reversal, all that will be in place will be a marginal 500 mb. So the strong ridge only exists on paper.

By the way, this effectively terminates Irene. Without strong ridging, other things go flooey that result in a very weak system. This is not to say that Irene won't be something to track. Irene will almost definately at least skirt the mid-atlantic as a minimal hurricane; has an outside chance to make landfall. But it's important to realize that this will be a very weak system. By that time most of us here will have long have dropped Irene in preference of turning our attention onto the ITCZ which is promising good action in the coming days. Having some ridge problems here too though. Timing will be a crucial factor. We will need to pay particular attention to forward speed of these new systems, especially the one now exiting the African coast. The ridge will have to build in to the west as this system moves west late in the forecast period. There's a southerly tracker too to follow. It has developmental problems this hour, but that could change. Both these systems have reasonable chances.

A powerful Hurricane Irene has vanished. We now must turn our attention eastward, while only tracking Irene as a minimal system with no prospects of devloping beyond that. Irene will never fully develop. We must move on.

With all due respect, what do you base your information on?

[HurriCat]

No, the ridge will weaken further. What collapsed was the intensification of the ridge. It was looking very good for a while there. It really looked like the subtropical ridge would build in more resolutely, and the western periphery would not only be reinforced from the east, but also from the west. Now true, reinforcement from the west will arrive on day 5 to help support the ridge, but the ridge is so futilely weak that unless the subtropical ridge does a sudden reversal, all that will be in place will be a marginal 500 mb. So the strong ridge only exists on paper.

By the way, this effectively terminates Irene. Without strong ridging, other things go flooey that result in a very weak system. This is not to say that Irene won't be something to track. Irene will almost definately at least skirt the mid-atlantic as a minimal hurricane; has an outside chance to make landfall. But it's important to realize that this will be a very weak system. By that time most of us here will have long have dropped Irene in preference of turning our attention onto the ITCZ which is promising good action in the coming days. Having some ridge problems here too though. Timing will be a crucial factor. We will need to pay particular attention to forward speed of these new systems, especially the one now exiting the African coast. The ridge will have to build in to the west as this system moves west late in the forecast period. There's a southerly tracker too to follow. It has developmental problems this hour, but that could change. Both these systems have reasonable chances.

A powerful Hurricane Irene has vanished. We now must turn our attention eastward, while only tracking Irene as a minimal system with no prospects of devloping beyond that. Irene will never fully develop. We must move on.

Sorry, but that was just whinnied like a true horses' butt. The storm is what - 5 days out and the NHC has it becoming a hurricane? Hi, everyone... I'm Mister Ed-sium! C'mon, did anyone predict what Jeanne was going to do? Riiight. And what's with the "it was looking good" stuff? Yep, more hoping for a monster to "track and watch" as it tears up people's lives. Nice.

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

HurriCat
A lot of people on these messageboards call a strengthening hurricane
a good hurricane, which ppl should be careful about.

Given the idiomatic use of "good" and "strong storm", Elysium probably intended that the ridge was looking good- as in strong, With all
due respect HurriCat, we cannot
really charge Elysium with an intent of evil wishes.

I do not think he meant that it was good in Irene strengthening
and creating devastation. He would really think that was
good, especially since if it did strengthen it would bring the storm
to his location.

I think he's happy that perhaps the storm will not be as threatening
for his location, which is a normal reaction.

[Jim Cantore]

comfortable

NO WAY! not yet