2 U.S kidnnapped soldiers bodies found

Lindaloo · #81 Postby **Lindaloo** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:09 am

You are VERY scary gtalum. I mean SCARY!! :eek:

gtalum · #82 Postby **gtalum** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:28 am

sunny wrote:You did attempt to compare, or draw contrast to, as you put it "what we've done" vs. what happened to these two boys. Reading those words would lead one to believe you have issues here.

My issue is only with some people (you may or may not be one, I don't know) who are okay with us administering torture but refer to the enemy as "terrorists" or "subhuman" for doing the same thing. Sure their methods are more grotesque, but torture is torture. And there was more to even Abu Ghraib than barking dogs and panties over the head. It was all out in the open, some just choos ento to see it. And that's just one incident we saw. A lot mor ehappens in war that we sheltered folks never get to see, probably for the best since we're not conditioned for it.

See, the thing is when you are in the military, you don't have the chance to say "you know what, I think I'll sit this one out".

That is one very good reason why I never joined th emilitary. I can't stomach signing on the dotted line that the US government basically owns me and I have to do what they say. It irritates me to no end to see guys like the recent one (I forget his name) who decided after getting the benefits of military service (college paid for, etc) and signing on the bottom line that he diodn't want to fight the Iraq War. Well, if you aren't willing to do just abouttu anything the government orders you to, then don't join the military. There's a reason they pay those benefits, it's because the military is very tough and hard work and military folks often have to do things they don't like.

Please don't miscontrue this. I have great respect for military personnel. I just am not one and don't want to be one. I would, however, if there were an immediate threat to our homeland.

sunny · #83 Postby **sunny** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:34 am

gtalum wrote:My issue is only with some people (you may or may not be one, I don't know) who are okay with us administering torture but refer to the enemy as "terrorists" or "subhuman" for doing the same thing.

Where did you see me say that? I didn't say that. What I DID say is what these TERRORISTS did to these two boys was MUTILATION and DESECRATION. Get it straight.

gtalum · #84 Postby **gtalum** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:35 am

I didn't accuse you of saying that. In fact, right in the text you quoted, I said you may or may not be one of those people, but I have no way of knowing.

sunny · #85 Postby **sunny** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:36 am

gtalum wrote:I didn't accuse you of saying that. In fact, right in the text you quoted, I said you may or may not be one of those people, but I have no way of knowing.

You are right - you have no way of knowing.

Regit · #86 Postby **Regit** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:18 am

sunny wrote:
gtalum wrote:I didn't accuse you of saying that. In fact, right in the text you quoted, I said you may or may not be one of those people, but I have no way of knowing.

You are right - you have no way of knowing.

No need to get so testy here. I took his comment as a reference to Dick Cheney, et al. Of course, I could be wrong too.

Regardless, the whole issue of torture should NOT be under debate in the United States. There is a very simple reason we should never torture anyone: We're better than them.

sunny · #87 Postby **sunny** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:20 am

Regit wrote:
sunny wrote:
gtalum wrote:I didn't accuse you of saying that. In fact, right in the text you quoted, I said you may or may not be one of those people, but I have no way of knowing.

You are right - you have no way of knowing.

No need to get so testy here. I took his comment as a reference to Dick Cheney, et al. Of course, I could be wrong too.

Ah - you took his comment as a reference to Cheney - but did he name Cheney? No.

I live being testy

The issue at hand was the mutilation and desecration of two American Soldiers. I would have thought the entire country would be up in arms about this.

rainstorm · #88 Postby **rainstorm** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:57 pm

gtalum wrote:Good post, rainstorm. These guys fight dirty because they want to win. You can't go into war with tainted notions of honor and fair fights. You go in and you do what you have to do to win and end it as soon as possible. This war has already gone on for longer than our involvement in WW2 with little in the way of results because we're too concerned about fighting fair.

EXACTLY. and there was nothing "gentlemanly" about shermans march through the south. "war is hell". he brought terror to the south

#89 Postby **george_r_1961** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:20 pm

sunny wrote:
Regit wrote:
sunny wrote:
gtalum wrote:I didn't accuse you of saying that. In fact, right in the text you quoted, I said you may or may not be one of those people, but I have no way of knowing.

You are right - you have no way of knowing.

No need to get so testy here. I took his comment as a reference to Dick Cheney, et al. Of course, I could be wrong too.

Ah - you took his comment as a reference to Cheney - but did he name Cheney? No.

I live being testy

The issue at hand was the mutilation and desecration of two American Soldiers. I would have thought the entire country would be up in arms about this.

You can bet I am up in arms over this. :grrr:

I get so mad every time I think about it that I turn red.

#90 Postby **Stephanie** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:37 pm

I'm truly upset about this as well. Unfortunately, this is part of war, whether they are shot and killed instantly or tortured.

I agree that there should be "rules of engagement" and the Geneva Convention should be followed. HOWEVER, I'm not that naive where I think it's always going to be honored. I agree in being the "better person" in the matter, but I also was bullied as a child and know that sometimes you need to get down to their level to make them "understand". If I had a child I would always teach them NEVER to start a fight or pick on someone but they have my permission or BLESSING to kick the living daylights out of someone who does it to them, in self defense.

I don't think that we need to "torture" the thugs that did this to these fine young men - just kill them. :wink:

#91 Postby **george_r_1961** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:47 pm

These "soldiers" that tortured and killed our troops have no sense of honor nor are they brave. The are filthy cowards and nothing more. For the most part, with a few notable exceptions, we treat our prisoners well, providing them with food, shelter, medical care, and even religous materials. In every war the US has been in our POW's have been beaten, starved, and otherwise abused.

This proves beyond a doubt we are better than our enemies

#92 Postby **Stephanie** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:58 pm

Absolutely George!

rainstorm · #93 Postby **rainstorm** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:42 pm

as far as i can find no war has ever been won because the winning side was "nice"

sunny · #94 Postby **sunny** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:28 pm

THEY CUT THEIR HEADS OFF :grrr:

Website · #95 Postby **Brent** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:32 pm

sunny wrote:THEY CUT THEIR HEADS OFF

It is just sickening. I fully expect a propaganda video to appear on the internet soon... :roll:

sunny · #96 Postby **sunny** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:34 pm

Brent wrote:
sunny wrote:THEY CUT THEIR HEADS OFF

It is just sickening. I fully expect a propaganda video to appear on the internet soon...

Oh GOD. I have my own opinion of what we should do, but it's not popular :grrr:

Skywatch_NC · #97 Postby **Skywatch_NC** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:40 pm

!!!!

*****

There are those times I wish that the Geneva Convention didn't exist...but I understand why we have it.

#98 Postby **george_r_1961** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:10 pm

Skywatch_NC wrote::grrr: !!!!

*****

There are those times I wish that the Geneva Convention didn't exist...but I understand why we have it.

It might as well NOT exist. The rest of the world seems to ignore it.

gtalum · #99 Postby **gtalum** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:52 pm

george_r_1961 wrote:It might as well NOT exist. The rest of the world seems to ignore it.

Since we don't abide by them, why should anyone else?

GalvestonDuck · #100 Postby **GalvestonDuck** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:00 pm

"Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention are not protected by it."

2 U.S kidnnapped soldiers bodies found

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