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#421 Postby Rainband » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:40 am

zoeyann wrote:
The problem EVERYONE is missing here is. The Leaders of Iran and Syria don't value life like we do and will Probably use Nukes or Chemical weapons if need be. Not to mention korea. I find it amazing how so many of you say" lets handle it" or "Lets go to war" I think if you all were the ones doing the fighting your tune may change. Sorry but don't we have enough to deal with


I was one that said we need to take out Iran and wanted to explain why I feel this way. Believe me I do not like war, but Iran does not have nukes yet and they are working on them. Like you said these people do not value life the way we do and the US would be target number 1 if they were to gain nuke capability. I would hope by taking out their nuke sites NOW instead of later when they have strike capability then we can prevent them from killing alot of innocent people later. I do not believe it would be a walk in the park, but it seems like a better idea than sitting on our hands while they work on weapons to seek our destruction. There are alot of people trying to work with Iran on this issue maybe diplomacy will eventually work, but we can not allow these people to develop nukes.

I know tensions run high on this topic, so I just wanted to add that this was in no way intended to be an arguement. From your post I just got the impression that you think some of us would just think this would be an easy task and are too quick to send our servicemen into harms way. So I wanted to explain that it's not the case it is just that I beleive a preemtive strike now could save millions later.
I see your point. But if they want Nukes they could get them elsewhere if they wanted too. My point is we will always find a fight if we look for it.
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#422 Postby Stratosphere747 » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:47 am

The above report is from 2003....
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#423 Postby angelwing » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:51 am

Saw that too late, but who knows? :eek:
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#424 Postby x-y-no » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:54 am

I don't doubt that Syria has chemical weapons capacity on the scale desribed in this article. But against a prepared military and populace like Israel's, chemical weapons really aren't that effective. Saying that this capacity balances Israel's nuclear capacity is way off base, IMHO.

I've long objected to the somewhat oversimplified term "WMD" encompassing everything from thermonuclear weapons to mustard gas. To my mind, there should be a distinction between major WMDs like nuclear weapons and infectious biological weapons vs minor WMDs like chemical weapons and dirty bombs.

Not trivializing the latter, just trying to add some perspective.
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#425 Postby zoeyann » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:57 am

I respect and agree with your point. I just did not want you believing everyone is like hooray lets go to war, it's just that out of everything going on Iran is the one that scares the heck out of me
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#426 Postby Rainband » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:59 am

zoeyann wrote:I respect and agree with your point. I just did not want you believing everyone is like hooray lets go to war, it's just that out of everything going on Iran is the one that scares the heck out of me
It's ok. I appreciate your response. They scare the heck out of me too. Them and The Korea situation :eek:
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#427 Postby Derek Ortt » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:22 pm

Also, if the problem is not 100% resolved, it only leads to future wars

In the french/Indian War, Britian and France did not resolve everything, so they fought again in the American Revolution (you could say those wars were WW1 and WW2)

WW1 did not settle anything, so WW2 was fought

If this does explode, we MUST fully take care of Korea and Iran, so we don't have to fight Iran for a second time like we had to fight Iraq twice, or Korea for a third time
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#428 Postby SouthFloridawx » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:30 pm

I'm watching MSNBC has indicated a possiblity of 5 Canadian Citizens being killed in Lebanon.

Update next after the Commercial.
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#429 Postby Janice » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:30 pm

The bad thing about people not leaving, like a Cat 4 or 5 cane, is that if they don't, there may be no way to save them later. I hope they are thinking things over good.
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#430 Postby kevin » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:30 pm

Derek Orrt, while we have differing views of the world, I respect your expertise in the arena of tropical meteorology.

You're a tropical meteorologist grad student and not a historian or political scientist.

The causation between the French Indian War and the American Revolution is different from what you are saying. It was not set up by the French and British.

WWI settled a lot of things, but the settlement led to resentment so WWII was fought.

You're drawing unfounded conclusions and declaring them with certainty. You should know that people are more complex than clouds.
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#431 Postby Janice » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:31 pm

Security officials say five of those killed in Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon held Canadian citizenship, The Associated Press reports.
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#432 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:32 pm

Iran=Israel acts like Hitler

:uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow:
Well,this lunatic Iran President keeps talking trash about Israel.
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#433 Postby SouthFloridawx » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:32 pm

BREAKING NEWS: MSNBC

5 OF THOSE KILLED IN LEBANON HELD CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP.
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#434 Postby SouthFloridawx » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:36 pm

Security officials say five of those killed in Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon held Canadian citizenship, The Associated Press reports.

http://www.cnn.com

Update to come soon.

Lebonese official confirm that they were in fact 5 of those killed near the border of Lebanon and Isreal were Canadian.

My prayers go out to thier families tonight.
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#435 Postby conestogo_flood » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:41 pm

I'm watching the CBC right now, they don't have much information on those possible Canadians that were killed. I hope this isn't going to disrupt Canadian/Israeli relationships.

Canada is planning an evacuation of Canadians in Lebanon very shortly.
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#436 Postby SouthFloridawx » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:42 pm

conestogo_flood wrote:I'm watching the CBC right now, they don't have much information on those possible Canadians that were killed. I hope this isn't going to disrupt Canadian/Israeli relationships.

Canada is planning an evacuation of Canadians in Lebanon very shortly.


Try CNN if you can get it.

Lebanon has confirmed it.
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#437 Postby x-y-no » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:42 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:Also, if the problem is not 100% resolved, it only leads to future wars

In the french/Indian War, Britian and France did not resolve everything, so they fought again in the American Revolution (you could say those wars were WW1 and WW2)


You're saying that unresolved issues from the French and Indian War were the cause of the American Revolution? I strongly disagree.


WW1 did not settle anything, so WW2 was fought


One could make a better case for this claim, but actually I'd argue that the cause of WW2 was an all-too harsh settlement of WW1. In particular, the French insistence on punitive measures including ceding of the Rhineland industrial area (prompted by their lasting resentment over the Franco-Prussian war) led to the economic and political chaos which fostered both the Communist and National Socialist movements in Germany.


If this does explode, we MUST fully take care of Korea and Iran, so we don't have to fight Iran for a second time like we had to fight Iraq twice, or Korea for a third time


I'm almost afraid to ask what "fully take care of" means in this context.
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#438 Postby stormtruth » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:46 pm

SouthFloridawx wrote:BREAKING NEWS: MSNBC

5 OF THOSE KILLED IN LEBANON HELD CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP.


Sad. Clearly Isreal should have held off on the heavy bombing and left the airport alone so those who wanted to leave could leave. Now Canadians are dead and probably citizens from other countries will die as well :(
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#439 Postby Janice » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:47 pm

Ok, lets not debate old wars. Lets keep this discussion to what is currently going on. We do not want debates here and we do not want his great post locked and it will, if there is bickering, etc.

Please keep the subject to the present situation.
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#440 Postby Rainband » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:47 pm

If this does explode, we MUST fully take care of Korea and Iran, so we don't have to fight Iran for a second time like we had to fight Iraq twice, or Korea for a third time



I agree x-y-no. What does that mean?? Derek.
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