Israel thread #2

Chat about anything and everything... (well almost anything) Whether it be the front porch or the pot belly stove or news of interest or a topic of your liking, this is the place to post it.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Message
Author
User avatar
feederband
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 3423
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:21 pm
Location: Lakeland Fl

#301 Postby feederband » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:00 pm

Janice wrote:CNN is saying now that the US might have to send Marines in on helicopters to get all the civilians in remote places. They have no way out because the roads will be too dangerous.

The Marines in there will not be accepted well.

They said the Marines and helicopters would have to go over areas held by the enemies.


I know I seen that too..The Marines are going to get Americans that want to get out no matter where the are at . The head of the Marines that are going over there was doing the interview... SCARY... :eek:
0 likes   

User avatar
Stephanie
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 23843
Age: 63
Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:53 am
Location: Glassboro, NJ

#302 Postby Stephanie » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:14 pm

I personally don't care if it's well received or not - we're trying to rescue our citizens.
0 likes   

User avatar
abajan
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 4238
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2003 5:10 am
Location: Barbados

#303 Postby abajan » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:19 pm

stormtruth wrote:Does anyone think Hezbollah will be destroyed in this conflict? Or will they remain as they are but just with a few less missiles? Or possibly new terrorists will emerge from the conflict like Hezbollah did in the 1980s and Al Qaeda after we armed them in Afghanistan to fight communism?

It is hard to imagine anything positive coming from this but I'm pretty cynical.

Here's what I think:

Before this conflict, most Lebanese probably despised Hezbollah. Now, after seeing all the death and destruction wrought on their citizens by Israel in their efforts to destroy Hezbollah... well, I think you can see where I'm going with this. I mean, isn't it a bit of a stretch at this juncture to ask Lebanese to understand Israel's point of view, however valid it may be?

Israel may have unwittingly created more enemies.
0 likes   

User avatar
Stephanie
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 23843
Age: 63
Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:53 am
Location: Glassboro, NJ

#304 Postby Stephanie » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:27 pm

I think that they are all in some ways enemies of each other. With that said, I'm hoping that the citizens of Lebanon's reaction is the OPPOSITE of your opinion abajan. MAYBE this will give the government/people the incentive to help get rid of them. It's a long shot and probably a pipe dream but I'd LOVE to see the tide turning against the terrorists for once and have that particular country act as if they don't want to be "victims" anymore.
0 likes   

User avatar
Cookiely
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 3211
Age: 74
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:31 am
Location: Tampa, Florida

#305 Postby Cookiely » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:30 pm

Resolution Supporting Israel
By Dan Robinson
Washington
20 July 2006

Robinson reoprt (mp3) - Download 1mb audio clip

The U.S. House of Representatives will vote Thursday on a strong resolution supporting Israel in its conflict with Hezbollah and Hamas. The lawmakers held an extended debate Wednesday on the crisis in the Middle East.

House lawmakers support Israel's right to use appropriate action to defend itself against attacks.

They say such defense includes conducting operations both in Israel and the territory of nations posing a threat to it, under Article 51 of the U.N. Charter.

The resolution notes Lebanon's failure to disarm and disband the Hezbollah in accordance with U.N. Security Council Resolution 1559 and it blames Iran and Syria for supporting terrorist activities against Israel.

"Any result of this fighting that leaves Hezbollah in occupation of southern Lebanon will be a victory for Iran and for Syria, for fanaticism and for terror, and a defeat for Lebanon and for Middle East peace," said California Democrat Tom Lantos.

"Any government that would allow terrorists to attack its citizens and do nothing in response but protest or beg for mercy would betray its most sacred trust," said Henry Hyde, Republican Chairman of the House International Relations Committee, in defending Israel's response to Hezbollah and Hamas.

This past Tuesday, the Senate approved a similar resolution.

Democratic Senator Joseph Biden says the Bush administration needs to gather the diplomatic backing it needs to pressure Syria and Iran to end their support for Hezbollah and Hamas. "For the world's own good, now is the time to put the screws on Syria, make the world united in their dissatisfaction and communicate it to the Iranians, build up the Lebanese capability, and focus on Hezbollah as the problem," he said.

As Senator Biden was speaking, White House spokesman Tony Snow was telling reporters the U.S. is stepping up diplomatic efforts.

However, responding to a reporter's question, he said those will not include any direct high-level contacts between President Bush and Syrian president Bashar al-Assad. "There is absolutely no reason to assume, based on the track record, that negotiations and conversations with the Syrians would yield any fruit," he said.

Syria's State-run News Agency Wednesday said the Syrian leader, in a telephone conversation with Turkey's Prime Minister, discussed the need for the international community to quickly arrange a ceasefire.

Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice and other U.S. officials say a solution is needed that will result in a long-term ceasefire along the Israel-Lebanon border, and enable the Lebanese government to assert control in the area.
emailme.gif
0 likes   

User avatar
stormtruth
Category 2
Category 2
Posts: 651
Joined: Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:15 pm

#306 Postby stormtruth » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:44 pm

Iraq PM denouces Israel:

"The Israeli attacks and airstrikes are completely destroying Lebanon's infrastructure," Maliki told reporters in Baghdad. "I condemn these aggressions and call on the Arab League foreign ministers' meeting in Cairo to take quick action to stop these aggressions. We call on the world to take quick stands to stop the Israeli aggression."

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?S ... 3626-5815r
0 likes   

Brent
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 38107
Age: 37
Joined: Sun May 16, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Tulsa Oklahoma
Contact:

#307 Postby Brent » Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:12 pm

The USS Nashville has arrived in Lebanon with U.S. Marines onboard to help with evacuations. On CNN. First time since 1983.
0 likes   
#neversummer

Johno8080
Tropical Depression
Tropical Depression
Posts: 77
Joined: Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:28 am
Location: Gold coast, Queensland, Australia

#308 Postby Johno8080 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:40 am

Does the US have to get involved with this? like do all UN countries have to contribute to this if it did turn into world war? Cus im hoping that if it did happen the Aussie's would be out of it cus of there involvement in east timor at the moment :roll:

Is that how it works? anyone know? :lol:
0 likes   

User avatar
Regit
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2341
Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:02 pm
Location: Myrtle Beach

#309 Postby Regit » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:08 am

Johno8080 wrote:Does the US have to get involved with this? like do all UN countries have to contribute to this if it did turn into world war? Cus im hoping that if it did happen the Aussie's would be out of it cus of there involvement in east timor at the moment :roll:

Is that how it works? anyone know? :lol:


No other countries will become involved unless they are attacked or this thing spreads so out of control that it's a major threat to world stability. Even if it spreads to Iran, the US and UN won't become involved simply to have an excuse to beat Iran. Israel has the ability to ruin Iran all by itself.

Israel Vice Premier Shimon Perez told MSNBC in an interview today that Israel is quite proud of the fact that in all its history it has never had to ask for the assistance of US soldiers and plans to keep it that way.

It's being blown way out of proportion. I don't think most people realize that Israel has both the technology and stamina to beat Lebanon, Syria, and Iran all by itself.
0 likes   

Johno8080
Tropical Depression
Tropical Depression
Posts: 77
Joined: Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:28 am
Location: Gold coast, Queensland, Australia

#310 Postby Johno8080 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:14 am

are so we are out of it! hope so anyway! :D
0 likes   

Brent
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 38107
Age: 37
Joined: Sun May 16, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Tulsa Oklahoma
Contact:

#311 Postby Brent » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:17 am

Regit wrote:
Johno8080 wrote:Does the US have to get involved with this? like do all UN countries have to contribute to this if it did turn into world war? Cus im hoping that if it did happen the Aussie's would be out of it cus of there involvement in east timor at the moment :roll:

Is that how it works? anyone know? :lol:


No other countries will become involved unless they are attacked or this thing spreads so out of control that it's a major threat to world stability. Even if it spreads to Iran, the US and UN won't become involved simply to have an excuse to beat Iran. Israel has the ability to ruin Iran all by itself.

Israel Vice Premier Shimon Perez told MSNBC in an interview today that Israel is quite proud of the fact that in all its history it has never had to ask for the assistance of US soldiers and plans to keep it that way.

It's being blown way out of proportion. I don't think most people realize that Israel has both the technology and stamina to beat Lebanon, Syria, and Iran all by itself.


Yep. Don't ever mess with Israel... you'll be sorry. They have the same high-tech toys we do.

:beam: :blowup: :slime:
0 likes   
#neversummer

Johno8080
Tropical Depression
Tropical Depression
Posts: 77
Joined: Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:28 am
Location: Gold coast, Queensland, Australia

#312 Postby Johno8080 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:31 am

So then there entitled to it!
0 likes   

User avatar
Cookiely
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 3211
Age: 74
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:31 am
Location: Tampa, Florida

#313 Postby Cookiely » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:17 am

x-y-no wrote:
stormtruth wrote:Does anyone think Hezbollah will be destroyed in this conflict? Or will they remain as they are but just with a few less missiles? Or possibly new terrorists will emerge from the conflict like Hezbollah did in the 1980s and Al Qaeda after we armed them in Afghanistan to fight communism?

It is hard to imagine anything positive coming from this but I'm pretty cynical.


I'm certain they won't be destroyed. The best case scenario would be that they're so severely weakened that the Lebanese army is capable of securing southern Lebanon once the Israelis pull out again.

They haven't accomplished much so far and I have doubts they can accomplish anything in the future. At least some of the Arab countries seem fed up with these terrorist cells. As long as Syria and Iran arm and fund these terrorists nothing is going to change. Its like that movie ground hog day.
On Hezbollah, Arab League Divided Over Legitimacy of Attacks; Syria Supports

Foreign ministers of 18 Arab countries held an emergency summit in Cairo on Saturday over Israeli action in Lebanon, but squabbles over the legitimacy of Hezbollah's attacks on Israel --including the kidnapping of two IDF soldiers-- appeared likely to keep participants from reaching a consensus, delegates said.

The Saudi foreign minister appeared to be leading a camp of ministers criticizing the Hezbollah's actions, calling them "unexpected, inappropriate and irresponsible acts." "These acts will pull the whole region back to years ago, and we cannot simply accept them," Saudi al-Faisal told his counterparts. It appeared that Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, Bahrain, the UAE and the Palestinian Authority were in agreement.

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem, however, lashed back al-Faisal, asking "How can we come here to discuss the burning situation in Lebanon while others are making statements criticizing the resistance?" Moallem called Hezbollah's action "legitimate acts in line with international resolutions and the UN charter, as acts of resistance," delegates said.

Jul 15, 2006 in Arab League, Bahrain, Egypt, Hezbollah, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia, Syria, UAE | Permalink
0 likes   

User avatar
artist
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 9792
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:26 pm
Location: West Palm

#314 Postby artist » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:10 am

I heard from a couple of retired military yesterday on the news that about 40% of Lebanon are Hezbollah. If that is the case then Lebanon was being overrun with them and they need to go.
0 likes   

User avatar
stormtruth
Category 2
Category 2
Posts: 651
Joined: Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:15 pm

#315 Postby stormtruth » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:55 am

artist wrote:I heard from a couple of retired military yesterday on the news that about 40% of Lebanon are Hezbollah. If that is the case then Lebanon was being overrun with them and they need to go.


That sounds high. It won't happen anyway. Israel will fight them for a short time and then cave in to international and U.S. pressure.
0 likes   

User avatar
angelwing
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 4462
Age: 64
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:06 pm
Location: Kulpsville, PA

#316 Postby angelwing » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:56 am

Breaking NewsTHE FIRST PLANE CARRYING AMERICAN EVACUEES FROM LEBANON HAS LANDED IN BALTIMORE


(ABC news)
0 likes   

NBCintern

#317 Postby NBCintern » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:05 am

Brent wrote:
Regit wrote:
Johno8080 wrote:Does the US have to get involved with this? like do all UN countries have to contribute to this if it did turn into world war? Cus im hoping that if it did happen the Aussie's would be out of it cus of there involvement in east timor at the moment :roll:

Is that how it works? anyone know? :lol:


No other countries will become involved unless they are attacked or this thing spreads so out of control that it's a major threat to world stability. Even if it spreads to Iran, the US and UN won't become involved simply to have an excuse to beat Iran. Israel has the ability to ruin Iran all by itself.

Israel Vice Premier Shimon Perez told MSNBC in an interview today that Israel is quite proud of the fact that in all its history it has never had to ask for the assistance of US soldiers and plans to keep it that way.

It's being blown way out of proportion. I don't think most people realize that Israel has both the technology and stamina to beat Lebanon, Syria, and Iran all by itself.


Yep. Don't ever mess with Israel... you'll be sorry. They have the same high-tech toys we do.

:beam: :blowup: :slime:


that has to be the most ridiculous statements yet.
0 likes   

User avatar
artist
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 9792
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:26 pm
Location: West Palm

#318 Postby artist » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:11 am

I personally think the Israeli's are going to be given more support (whether openly or not) than they ever have before.
0 likes   

Janice
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 4564
Joined: Wed Oct 09, 2002 6:14 pm
Location: Puerto Rico
Contact:

#319 Postby Janice » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:38 am

* Marines help hundreds escape from Lebanon
* Navy hopes to ferry 1,200 Americans onto the Nashville by tonight
* No plans yet to help several hundred Americans in southern Lebanon
* First plane of evacuees lands in Baltimore
0 likes   

Brent
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 38107
Age: 37
Joined: Sun May 16, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Tulsa Oklahoma
Contact:

#320 Postby Brent » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:48 am

NBCintern wrote:
Brent wrote:
Regit wrote:
Johno8080 wrote:Does the US have to get involved with this? like do all UN countries have to contribute to this if it did turn into world war? Cus im hoping that if it did happen the Aussie's would be out of it cus of there involvement in east timor at the moment :roll:

Is that how it works? anyone know? :lol:


No other countries will become involved unless they are attacked or this thing spreads so out of control that it's a major threat to world stability. Even if it spreads to Iran, the US and UN won't become involved simply to have an excuse to beat Iran. Israel has the ability to ruin Iran all by itself.

Israel Vice Premier Shimon Perez told MSNBC in an interview today that Israel is quite proud of the fact that in all its history it has never had to ask for the assistance of US soldiers and plans to keep it that way.

It's being blown way out of proportion. I don't think most people realize that Israel has both the technology and stamina to beat Lebanon, Syria, and Iran all by itself.


Yep. Don't ever mess with Israel... you'll be sorry. They have the same high-tech toys we do.

:beam: :blowup: :slime:


that has to be the most ridiculous statements yet.


How? :?: :roll:
0 likes   
#neversummer


Return to “Off Topic”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests