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#161 Postby wxman57 » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:40 pm

cpdaman wrote:WXMAN57

how strong is your confidence in the models or of the confidence in the models certainity of the steering patterns a few days from now.

i know u said " right now there is no data to support a threat to the u.s , but basically what i'm asking is how confident are u that the steering pattern the models are basically making there path predictions on are etched in stone, or not likely to change drastically.

it may be vague, but i'm asking you cause well, your a pro


I'm quite confident, presently, that Debby will turn north well east of the east U.S. Coast. Take a look at how sharp a 500mb trof the GFS is predicting in 5 days near 60W. Look at the wind flow away from the east U.S. Coast:

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... 0_120m.gif

ECMWF shows a similarly-strong trof around 60W in 5 days:
http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/ECMWF_12z/f120.gif

There's nothing to indicate that the ridge north of Debby will build west and block a turn. Debby is already moving WNW, indicating that the ridge to the north isn't THAT strong already.

Well, time for bed. Have to get up at 5am for work.
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#162 Postby GeneratorPower » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:40 pm

wxman57 wrote:
miamicanes177 wrote:From Stewart, "The BAM models have been atrocious at best"....I wonder what could be worse than atrocious? :think:


LBAR? ;-)


XTRAP
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#163 Postby Hurricaneman » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:44 pm

miamicanes177 wrote:From Stewart, "The BAM models have been atrocious at best"....I wonder what could be worse than atrocious? :think:


Excelently wrong :lol:
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#164 Postby SouthFloridawx » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:54 pm

Debby trying to maintain with a burst of convection on the Northeast Side.

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#165 Postby Toadstool » Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:43 am

GeneratorPower wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
miamicanes177 wrote:From Stewart, "The BAM models have been atrocious at best"....I wonder what could be worse than atrocious? :think:


LBAR? ;-)


XTRAP


lol, I like that.
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#166 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:37 am

45 knots

23/0600 UTC 15.6N 29.4W T3.0/3.0 DEBBY
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#167 Postby clfenwi » Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:53 am

WHXX01 KWBC 230640
CHGHUR

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO TPC/NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONES.

NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER NORTH ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

TROPICAL STORM DEBBY (AL042006) ON 20060823 0600 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS... ...36 HRS...
060823 0600 060823 1800 060824 0600 060824 1800

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMD 15.5N 29.4W 17.2N 32.1W 19.0N 34.7W 20.9N 37.3W
BAMM 15.5N 29.4W 17.5N 32.0W 19.3N 34.6W 21.3N 37.4W
A98E 15.5N 29.4W 16.6N 32.0W 17.8N 34.7W 19.3N 37.4W
LBAR 15.5N 29.4W 17.0N 32.0W 18.5N 34.6W 20.0N 37.5W
SHIP 35KTS 40KTS 44KTS 48KTS
DSHP 35KTS 40KTS 44KTS 48KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS... ..120 HRS...
060825 0600 060826 0600 060827 0600 060828 0600

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMD 23.1N 40.1W 27.4N 44.7W 31.0N 46.2W 35.4N 44.2W
BAMM 23.1N 40.0W 26.6N 44.5W 29.6N 46.9W 33.4N 46.0W
A98E 21.1N 40.2W 24.9N 45.9W 28.8N 50.1W 34.9N 47.8W
LBAR 21.3N 40.4W 24.3N 45.7W 28.3N 49.0W 33.5N 50.4W
SHIP 51KTS 56KTS 61KTS 63KTS
DSHP 51KTS 56KTS 61KTS 63KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 15.5N LONCUR = 29.4W DIRCUR = 295DEG SPDCUR = 14KT
LATM12 = 14.2N LONM12 = 26.7W DIRM12 = 298DEG SPDM12 = 16KT
LATM24 = 12.6N LONM24 = 23.9W
WNDCUR = 35KT RMAXWD = 30NM WNDM12 = 30KT
CENPRS = 1003MB OUTPRS = 1011MB OUTRAD = 225NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 40NM RD34SE = 20NM RD34SW = 20NM RD34NW = 30NM
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#168 Postby clfenwi » Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:26 am

TPNT KGWC 230650
A. TROPICAL STORM DEBBY
B. 23/0531Z (69)
C. 15.7N/3
D. 29.2W/3
E. SIX/MET8
F. T2.5/2.5/D1.0/24HRS -23/0531Z-
G. IR/EIR

47A/ PBO PRTLY XPSD LLCC/ANMTN. LLCC ON EDGE OF DG
YIELDING A DT OF 3.0. FT BASED ON PT. MET AGREES.

AODT: N/A

LAING


TAFB also went 2.5 (35 knots) with a position of 15.2N, 29.4W.
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#169 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:35 am

In the ace deportment the Eastern in even the Central Pacific is beating the heck out of the Atlatnic. 10.8 for the central pacific to 7.55 for the Atlatnic. 64 something for the Eastern pacific. In which should go up next Advisory on our nearly major hurricane.

I don't think Debby can do much to help the Atlantic from getting beat to the floor. Pay back for last year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Pacif ... ane_season
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#170 Postby AussieMark » Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:21 am

Matt how do u work out ace?

I am sure 2003 would of had the lowest reading in years with 0 majors
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#171 Postby James » Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:37 am

Looks like there is a small burst of convection going on.
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#172 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:36 am

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Debby is a very small and compact system.
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#173 Postby HenkL » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:07 am

23Aug06 Plan of the Day
August 22nd, 2006

Plan of the Day for: Wednesday, 23Aug06 Plan filed on 22Aug06 at 3PM CVT

Flight Status: Fly
Forecasters Arrive: 5:00 AM
Mission Science Weather Briefing: 7:00 AM
Go/No-Go Decision: 8:00 AM
Power On Aircraft: 8:00 AM
Preflight Briefing: 9:30 AM
Door Close: 10:30 AM
Projected Takeoff: 1100 AM (1200 UTC)
Projected Landing: 1900 (2000 UTC)
Post-Mission Debrief: 19:30
Mission Summary/Objectives

1. Survey of TS Debby circulation at high and mid levels
2. Dropsondes (18) equal spaced at different radii and into the center
3. Search for and evaluate the impact of dry air/dust entrusion into the storm
4. Secondary microphysics models

All the above is re a DC8 plane, doing research for the NAMMA project. The plane takeoff from the Cape Verde Islands was a few minutes ago. The plane can be followed using GoogleEarth (see: NAMMA).
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#174 Postby storms in NC » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:17 am

Looking at the vloop debby seem to be going more to the west. Yes I know she is going to turn. But I think she will be a little south of forcast marks.But I don't see why she wouldn't turn in a few days. the # show it to. Yesterday at 5 she was 14.5 N and 27.5 west to day at 15.2 north 29.4 west.
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#175 Postby Sanibel » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:19 am

SAL sapping now.

Will see if storm potential outlasts and refires past SAL in a few days.

Debby pulled in from SAL evaporated bands.
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#176 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:28 am

I would have never guess a plane visiting Debby or any system this far out. Is it the first time this happens? Becuase I though the RECON planes only visited systems from 55W and west.
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#177 Postby Evil Jeremy » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:31 am

same here!
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#178 Postby HenkL » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:34 am

The plane is there for the MANNA research project, investigating tropical waves and Sahara Air Layer. But while there is a real TS nearby, they take the chance to look at it as well.
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#179 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:35 am

HURAKAN wrote:I would have never guess a plane visiting Debby or any system this far out. Is it the first time this happens? Becuase I though the RECON planes only visited systems from 55W and west.


If I recall,is the first time that there are research missions in that part of the world with takeoffs from the Cape Verde Islands.But Derek or senorpepr who know much more about these things of missions can elaborate more on this.
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#180 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:35 am

HenkL wrote:The plane is there for the MANNA research project, investigating tropical waves and Sahara Air Layer. But while there is a real TS nearby, they take the chance to look at it as well.


Thanks, very interesting information. We always like RECON information.
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