Interesting .. thought... or not ??( western gulf)

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#21 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:57 pm

Normandy wrote:Yes Vbhoutex, def midlevel.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?prod ... o&loop=yes

Detectable by brownsville radar. Still has virtually no shot at developing though. Geography isn't on its side.


agreed.. over land is not going to help anything.... but there is a LLC near tampico mexico.. but inland which does not help .,,,,
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#22 Postby Normandy » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:59 pm

Not LLC, MLC. Big difference.
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#23 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:01 pm

Normandy wrote:Not LLC, MLC. Big difference.


im not talking about the Mi dlevel one near brownsville,... different.... area entirely...

http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goeseastconus.html down near tampico ..25 images.
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#24 Postby Normandy » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:11 pm

Ok, looked down there and you being fooled by the varying motions of the different clouds at different levels of the atmosphere. All the low level clouds are streaming NNE, while all the high clouds are moving SSE. This is why it appears their is an LLC down there.
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#25 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:14 pm

Normandy wrote:Ok, looked down there and you being fooled by the varying motions of the different clouds at different levels of the atmosphere. All the low level clouds are streaming NNE, while all the high clouds are moving SSE. This is why it appears their is an LLC down there.


lol .. look closer... it there .. small but there... and i know the difference between directional changes with hight of the clouds.. its there dont worry .. its not impressive by any strectch .. but its really irrelevant.. since its over land.. and moving N..
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#26 Postby skysummit » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:21 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
Normandy wrote:Ok, looked down there and you being fooled by the varying motions of the different clouds at different levels of the atmosphere. All the low level clouds are streaming NNE, while all the high clouds are moving SSE. This is why it appears their is an LLC down there.


lol .. look closer... it there .. small but there... and i know the difference between directional changes with hight of the clouds.. its there dont worry .. its not impressive by any strectch .. but its really irrelevant.. since its over land.. and moving N..


I agree Aric. It's there, but you have to look REALLY close and careful to see it. It's not one of those "illusion" cases :)
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#27 Postby Rainband » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:27 pm

Just heard on the news, No development from this, just lots of rain for the Texas area.
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#28 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:46 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
Normandy wrote:Not LLC, MLC. Big difference.


im not talking about the Mi dlevel one near brownsville,... different.... area entirely...

http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goeseastconus.html down near tampico ..25 images.


You'll never be able to see such an LLC on that satellite when the lower levels are obscured by cirrus clouds. The place to look is surface observations, which are straight SE all the way from the BoC to the TX coast. You're seeing either an illusion of a circulation by looking down at multiple cloud layers moving in opposing directions or you're seeing something well above the surface.

This is just some tropical moisture moving inland. Look elsewhere for Chantal.
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#29 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:06 pm

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Normandy wrote:Not LLC, MLC. Big difference.


im not talking about the Mi dlevel one near brownsville,... different.... area entirely...

http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goeseastconus.html down near tampico ..25 images.


You'll never be able to see such an LLC on that satellite when the lower levels are obscured by cirrus clouds. The place to look is surface observations, which are straight SE all the way from the BoC to the TX coast. You're seeing either an illusion of a circulation by looking down at multiple cloud layers moving in opposing directions or you're seeing something well above the surface.

This is just some tropical moisture moving inland. Look elsewhere for Chantal.


thats the funnt thing it was not obscured earlier... do a long loop
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Re: Interesting .. thought... or not ??( bay of campeche)

#30 Postby Steve » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:55 pm

It was something to check out today and something that will probably bring some rain to Texas and Mexico. What appeared to be part of a wave axis or perhaps a boundary moved inland out front of the system (as per earlier colorized IR). It definitely had "that" look to it as you saw some spiraling which may or may not have indicated somewhat favorable upper support (I didn't expend any energy checking into that). Whatever it is or isn't, it's also helping fuel moisture through the boundary that's been over Dixie for the last bunch of days.

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#31 Postby tailgater » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:01 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
Normandy wrote:Yes Vbhoutex, def midlevel.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?prod ... o&loop=yes

Detectable by brownsville radar. Still has virtually no shot at developing though. Geography isn't on its side.


agreed.. over land is not going to help anything.... but there is a LLC near tampico mexico.. but inland which does not help .,,,,

I also saw the Vortex or LLC and it was inland and not moving offshore so I paid it little attenion.
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... g8vor4.GIF
There is some troughiness in the BOC and most of the models keep that troughiness down there with none of them really developing anything but we should watch this area closely.
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#32 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:24 pm

well .... we will have to see what happens.. something is going to give eventually ... somwhere
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Re: Interesting .. thought... or not ??( bay of campeche)

#33 Postby Normandy » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:28 pm

Seems like an ULL or something is forming over inland Mexico....shouldnt really help the shear situation for the system (or the flooding situation in Texas for that matter).
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#34 Postby tailgater » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:51 am

Well if this was about 100 miles east it would be something to watch very closely, but it isn't so we'll just get rain in places that we don't need it.
http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/GOES1 ... 3GpjKY.jpg
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Re: Interesting .. thought... or not ??( bay of campeche)

#35 Postby Normandy » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:59 am

If the area was over the center of the gulf it probably would develop, but since its over land, nothing doing.
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Re: Interesting .. thought... or not ??( bay of campeche)

#36 Postby lrak » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:02 am

it looks like its over water to me.

Didn't Bret form like this?
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#37 Postby DESTRUCTION5 » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:06 am

lrak wrote:it looks like its over water to me.

Didn't Bret form like this?



Looks like a Bret like storm..
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#38 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:06 am

TWD 8:05 AM EDT:

GULF OF MEXICO...
BROAD UPPER LEVEL LOW IS CENTERED OVER N/CENTRAL MEXICO COVERING
TEXAS AND MEXICO N OF 21N. AN UPPER LEVEL RIDGE EXTENDS FROM S
MEXICO ACROSS THE BAY OF CAMPECHE AND THE W GULF TO THE N GULF
COAST NEAR 29N95W ENHANCING SCATTERED SHOWERS/THUNDERSTORMS S OF
28N W OF 88W AND INDUCING A SURFACE TROUGH THAT EXTENDS ROUGHLY
E/W FROM 25N88W ALONG 24N94W TO 22N98W.
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#39 Postby Normandy » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:11 am

Its not entirely over land, but its far to close for it to really amount to anything.
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#40 Postby tailgater » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:01 am

brownsville radar showing a mid level rotation, I say mid level because it's a long ways from radar site hard to say whats at the surface. This blob does seem to have some inflow but it should move NNW.
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid= ... 1&loop=yes
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