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Re: ENSO Updates

#381 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:34 am

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/index.shtml

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Here is the latest update from BoM.

Weakening Trade Winds in the western Pacific and a drop in the SOI, has stopped the recent strengthening of La Niña indicators. However, the eastern Pacific remains cooler than average and there has been a renewal of a cool sub-surface layer in the central Pacific, both of which provide the potential for a La Niña development.

The fact that all major international coupled models, including the POAMA model run daily at the Bureau of Meteorology, forecast further cooling of the equatorial Pacific Ocean over the coming months, indicates there is a distinct possibility of a La Niña event occurring in 2007. Cooler than average waters in the central to eastern Pacific, normally accompanied by positive SOI values, are usually associated with wetter than average seasons over eastern and northern Australia, even if La Niña thresholds are not reached.



Read the whole update at link above.It's a little change from their past update as now,they see a slower pattern towards La Nina but that eventually later this year it will show up.IMO,it will be Neutral during the peak of the season.Distint from 2006 that by July there were first signs of El Nino comming,this year there are none,so in that regard I say with confidence in a 100% that we wont see El Nino.
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#382 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:58 am

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Re: ENSO Updates=BoM 7/11/07 update=Slower pace towards La Nina

#383 Postby meteorologyman » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:53 pm

The way things are shaping up, I think we will get La Nina late in the season and since it's rising slowly the peak of La Nina might be in 2008 hurricane season.. if it doesn't die.. yes I said 2008. This is just my oppinion of what may or may not occur
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Re: CPC 7/12/07=Neutral next 2 months/Neutral/La Nina thereafter

#384 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:08 am

Climate Prediction Center 7/12/07 Update

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It looks like Neutral conditions will be in the Pacific when the peak of the season arrives.After that period,then a Neutral/weak la nina may get underway.Read the whole update at hypertext link above.
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Re: CPC 7/12/07=Neutral next 2 months/Neutral/La Nina thereafter

#385 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:36 pm

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Here are the latest anomalies in the Pacific in a closeup graphic.Neutral to Weak La Nina is the threshold for the rest of 2007 as the CPC and BoM updates showed in their recent updates this week.
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#386 Postby Aquawind » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:57 pm

Cool.. Looking at all of the data and graphics they both present it certainly is marginal at this point. No El Nino influence this season..
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#387 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:19 pm

Aquawind wrote:Cool.. Looking at all of the data and graphics they both present it certainly is marginal at this point. No El Nino influence this season..


Yep.The big difference from 2006 is that already last July there were the first signs that El Nino would make an appearance.On this July 2007,there are no signs whatsoever of El Nino.As I said before,It's a sure thing and with a 100% of confidence that El Nino wont be a factor in the rest of the 2007 season.
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Re: CPC 7/12/07=Neutral next 2 months/Neutral/La Nina thereafter

#388 Postby Windtalker2 » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:40 pm

Is it true that Neutral Seasons produce more and intense Storms than La Nina Seasons?
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Re: CPC 7/12/07=Neutral next 2 months/Neutral/La Nina thereafter

#389 Postby benny » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:51 pm

Windtalker2 wrote:Is it true that Neutral Seasons produce more and intense Storms than La Nina Seasons?


Recently they have. Historically they haven't. So no-- over the long run, your best bet for an active season is a La Nina.
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Re: ENSO Updates=Latest Reynolds Update for Pacific Anomalies

#390 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:46 pm

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No big changes from last weeks update from Reynolds,except that the cool anomalies extend now to the Central Pacific.For the most part it continues Neutral at this moment.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#391 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:54 pm

No big changes from last week's Reynolds update.Neutral status is out there.

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Look at the subsurface cool waters in the Central Pacific how they expand.Let's see if after all La Nina appears in the ladder part of 2007.
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Re: ENSO Updates=Subsurface waters Cooler in Central Pacific

#392 Postby hurricanetrack » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:39 pm

Yes- and look at all that warm water growing in the western Pacific too.
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Re: ENSO Updates=Subsurface waters Cooler in Central Pacific

#393 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:47 pm

hurricanetrack wrote:Yes- and look at all that warm water growing in the western Pacific too.


Yes,I saw that but there is not going to be an october surprise. :) Mark,I am thinking that powerful typhoon Man-yi moved the waters over there and maybe a warm wave may head eastward.But it may be late to affect the Atlantic in it's peak of the season.

What do you think about that?
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Re: ENSO Updates

#394 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:48 pm

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More cool waters are showing up in this new Reynolds weekly update.A late season La Nina surge?
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#395 Postby TheRingo » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:56 pm

also nino 3.4 has dropped below the zero line too.
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nino 4 still has a ways to go.

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Re: ENSO Updates=Subsurface waters Cooler in Central Pacific

#396 Postby Jim Hughes » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:37 pm

cycloneye wrote:
hurricanetrack wrote:Yes- and look at all that warm water growing in the western Pacific too.


Yes,I saw that but there is not going to be an october surprise. :) Mark,I am thinking that powerful typhoon Man-yi moved the waters over there and maybe a warm wave may head eastward.But it may be late to affect the Atlantic in it's peak of the season.

What do you think about that?


Are you thinking El Nino Luis? No way. Maybe 07-08 but not this year. Nina condtions continue. The big question is only how strong it gets. Tropical folks are not concerned of course but the winter weather lovers are definitely watching it carefully.
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Re: ENSO Updates=BoM 8/1/07 Update=La Nina chance is 50/50

#397 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:47 am

Summary: ENSO indicators continue to fluctuate. La Niña chance about 50:50.

The past three months have seen ENSO indicators fluctuate without any consistent trend being apparent. Periods of weakened Trade Winds, falling SOI and rising ocean temperatures have alternated with phases of strengthened Trade Winds, rising SOI and falling ocean temperatures. The month of July saw both, with the latter phase occurring at the end of the month so that overall there was a slight cooling of the ocean from June to July. The latest weekly surface temperatures of the eastern equatorial Pacific are approaching the La Niña threshold, but the SOI is about −5.

For a La Niña to develop, the relatively high frequency fluctuations of SOI, winds and ocean temperatures would need to stop and be replaced by a period of consistently stronger than average Trade Winds, positive SOI values and further cooling of the ocean. The latest runs from computer models continue to indicate a moderate chance of a La Niña occurring in 2007, although they're not indicating this as emphatically as a few months ago. Furthermore, the computer models failed to predict the slower cooling observed over the past six months; they were predicting much stronger cooling during the southern autumn and early winter.

The chance of a La Niña developing is probably about 50:50, but even if neutral conditions persist, much of the equatorial Pacific is likely to remain cooler than average. This situation would normally be associated with average to wetter than average seasons over eastern and northern Australia, especially if accompanied by positive SOI values.


http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/index.shtml

Here is the latest Australian update about ENSO.Any comments about this update are welcomed.
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Re: CPC 7/12/07=Neutral next 2 months/Neutral/La Nina thereafter

#398 Postby Ptarmigan » Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:19 pm

Windtalker2 wrote:Is it true that Neutral Seasons produce more and intense Storms than La Nina Seasons?


Some of the most active seasons on record were Neutral, like 1933, 1995, and 2005. La Nina seasons are more active on average.
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Re: CPC 8/6/07 Update=Possible La Nina in next 2 months

#399 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:20 am

CPC weekly update on pdf

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Climate Prediction Center changes it's tone towards La Nina again after a few weeks of Neutral talk.
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Re: CPC 8/6/07 Update=Possible La Nina in next 2 months

#400 Postby artist » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:11 am

cycloneye - do you mind giving a brief summary of what they are now thinking and how it might affect the season to come.
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