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Re: Models show development next week in GOM?

#221 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:37 pm

Praxus wrote:Haven't read the whole thread; but I'm a bit confused if this is referring to the same system in the other thread about the wave coming off africa....or are the models calling for 2 systems to develop next week ?!


different systems .. carribean and gulf ... in the thread
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Re: Models show development next week in GOM?

#222 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:50 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
Praxus wrote:Haven't read the whole thread; but I'm a bit confused if this is referring to the same system in the other thread about the wave coming off africa....or are the models calling for 2 systems to develop next week ?!


different systems .. carribean and gulf ... in the thread

No he's referring to the cape verde storm and this gulf/caribbean storm...at least i think...
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Re: Models show development next week in GOM?

#223 Postby srainhoutx » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:56 pm

Snipet from HPC today.Will note that this is the second day they have mentioned "possible" developement near Yucatan...

EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
253 PM EDT THU AUG 09 2007

VALID 12Z SUN AUG 12 2007 - 12Z THU AUG 16 2007

...FINAL MEDIUM RANGE DISCUSSION...



...PLAINS/EAST...

THE LARGE HOT RIDGE OVER THE S CENTRAL PLAINS WILL SUPPRESS MOST
CONVECTION OVER THIS PORTION OF THE NATION EXCEPT FOR: IMPULSES
MOVING AROUND THE TOP OF THE MEAN RIDGE FROM THE NRN PLAINS ACROSS
THE SRN GRT LAKES TO THE UPPER OH VLY/MID ATLANTIC; AND 2) THE
GA/SC COASTS AND PENINSULAR FL. WE ARE WATCHING FOR POSSIBLE SLOW
TROPICAL DEVELOPMENT VCNTY OF YUCATAN THE FIRST PART OF NEXT
WEEK...REFER TO DISCUSSIONS FROM TPC.


We shall see.
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#224 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:03 pm

latest thoughts from JB this afternoon...

-He believes that at least a tropical storm will form. He said he could be wrong, but he thinks this one really has a shot.

-He thinks the system will develop faster than what models such as the NAM are suggesting and that it will take a WNW track.

-He thinks the cone of error for where this system might go would range from the Texas Gulf coast on the north side to Tampiaco on the south side.
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#225 Postby Cyclone1 » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:04 pm

JB, Joe Bastardi?
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#226 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:06 pm

Cyclone1 wrote:JB, Joe Bastardi?
Correct :wink:
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#227 Postby miamicanes177 » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:07 pm

Extremeweatherguy wrote:latest thoughts from JB this afternoon...

-He believes that at least a tropical storm will form. He said he could be wrong, but he thinks this one really has a shot.

-He thinks the system will develop faster than what models such as the NAM are suggesting and that it will take a WNW track.

-He thinks the cone of error for where this system might go would range from the Texas Gulf coast on the north side to Tampiaco on the south side.
Can you post more of his article? Why does he think at least a tropical storm will form? The gulf and caribbean are not favorable right now.
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Re: Models show development next week in GOM?

#228 Postby Dean4Storms » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:11 pm

cycloneye wrote:Dean4Storms I modified the title of thread to take out CMC forecasts major hurricane,and put models show development in GOM?,as other models are joining CMC.



Thanks mate, no problemo.
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#229 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:13 pm

Extremeweatherguy wrote:latest thoughts from JB this afternoon...

-He believes that at least a tropical storm will form. He said he could be wrong, but he thinks this one really has a shot.

-He thinks the system will develop faster than what models such as the NAM are suggesting and that it will take a WNW track.

-He thinks the cone of error for where this system might go would range from the Texas Gulf coast on the north side to Tampiaco on the south side.


sounds about right... easily possible especially since the convection i was saying will happen today has begun. which should lead to more.. and since we a much lighter low level shear in the western carrib and a decent trough axis would not be surprised to see quite a bit more convection over night and leading in to tomorrow could see (as the euro and nogaps are showing) some more orginization. probably no anything really ominous but should be on its way
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#230 Postby Opal storm » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:16 pm

Extremeweatherguy wrote:latest thoughts from JB this afternoon...

-He believes that at least a tropical storm will form. He said he could be wrong, but he thinks this one really has a shot.

-He thinks the system will develop faster than what models such as the NAM are suggesting and that it will take a WNW track.

-He thinks the cone of error for where this system might go would range from the Texas Gulf coast on the north side to Tampiaco on the south side.
Sounds like a weak storm being shoved west by the ridge, a lot like Bret of 05 except slightly more north.
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#231 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:16 pm

miamicanes177 wrote:
Extremeweatherguy wrote:latest thoughts from JB this afternoon...

-He believes that at least a tropical storm will form. He said he could be wrong, but he thinks this one really has a shot.

-He thinks the system will develop faster than what models such as the NAM are suggesting and that it will take a WNW track.

-He thinks the cone of error for where this system might go would range from the Texas Gulf coast on the north side to Tampiaco on the south side.
Can you post more of his article? Why does he think at least a tropical storm will form?
Well, I am not really allowed to post his actual article here since it comes from the pro site. I am only giving brief summaries of his key points. He has many reasons for why he thinks something would form though (even though he admits there are a lot of negatives too), but the key reasoning would be that the energy would bundle under the ridge as it builds over the system while a trough splits away in front of it. This, combined with warm waters and other factors is what is driving him to believe something could form. He also uses past data in his analysis too and has said over the last few days that similar scenarios have produced storms before.
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#232 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:21 pm

Opal storm wrote:
Extremeweatherguy wrote:latest thoughts from JB this afternoon...

-He believes that at least a tropical storm will form. He said he could be wrong, but he thinks this one really has a shot.

-He thinks the system will develop faster than what models such as the NAM are suggesting and that it will take a WNW track.

-He thinks the cone of error for where this system might go would range from the Texas Gulf coast on the north side to Tampiaco on the south side.
Sounds like a weak storm being shoved west by the ridge, a lot like Bret of 05 except slightly more north.
May be..and that is what we all hope for..However, he said if this really gets going that he wouldn't be surprised to see a hurricane come of this. He is not ready to make any calls on that for sure though right now.

At this point we should all just monitor the area closely and not begin to really worry until something spins up. For all we know, JB could end up wrong on this one. We shall see...
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Re: Models show development next week in GOM?

#233 Postby mgpetre » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:22 pm

OK, so I'm going out on a limb here. Based upon my observations of the weak wave in the central Carribean and the conditions developing near the Yucatan, I think we'll have our first Depression in a while just south of Cuba before tomorrow is over.
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Re: Models show development next week in GOM?

#234 Postby skysummit » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:23 pm

mgpetre wrote:OK, so I'm going out on a limb here. Based upon my observations of the weak wave in the central Carribean and the conditions developing near the Yucatan, I think we'll have our first Depression in a while just south of Cuba before tomorrow is over.


PHEW....that's a looooooooong limb! :D
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#235 Postby Cyclone1 » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:28 pm

mgpetre, I'll second that. INVEST by tomorrow, maybe a depression tomorrow or the next day somewhere near Jamaica, west Cuba, that general area. JMHO
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#236 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:29 pm

I still don't think this will be an issue tomorrow. I am betting we have a few more days before the potential system tries to spin up (may be in the Sunday to Tuesday time frame).
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#237 Postby Opal storm » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:29 pm

Extremeweatherguy wrote:However, he said if this really gets going that he wouldn't be surprised to see a hurricane come of this.
Eh...he says that about everything though. :lol: Just a little spice to keep his audience interested. We'll see though.
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Re: Models show development next week in GOM?

#238 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:34 pm

watch in this area for possibly a low to form over night and tomorrow in this area
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.. as the convection that has been increasing all day continues and the pre existing trough coupled with and little shear enhanced convection (before the upper environment becomes better) Im thinking over night will see the beginnings of it. im not going to go as far as to say a depression tomorrow i would say more saturday only "IF" tonight and tomorrow pan out.

as well as another piece of energy coming from the east will ultimately lead to some more orginization


http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/loop-rgb.html
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Re: Models show development next week in GOM?

#239 Postby mgpetre » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:37 pm

One thing I'm not real certain of though (yes I'm a newbie to the Tropics) is what is that ULL just E. of the Yucatan going to do over the next few days?
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Re: Models show development next week in GOM?

#240 Postby kevin » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:37 pm

JB is more useful than sticking one's wet finger in the air. Beyond that the jury in my mind is out. :lol:
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