Convection in the... Mediterranean?

[Coredesat]

It isn't that simple as there is no category to place this system in, and there's no available designation to give it, unless they make it 90Q.

[Cryomaniac]

50L surely?

[WmE]

50L surely?

Well L means the Atlantic Basin and the Mediterranean isn't exactly part of the Atlantic, even though they are connected.

[JonathanBelles]

50L surely?

Well L means the Atlantic Basin and the Mediterranean isn't exactly part of the Atlantic, even though they are connected.

So the Carib or the GOM shouldnt get the L? I agree with Cryonmaniac...I think this should be 50L.

[TheEuropean]

Why 50L and why not 90L?

[Cyclone1]

Wow, looking excellent!

[Cryomaniac]

Why 50L and why not 90L?

Well why not then? Do you think it should be 90L?

[P.K.]

Well this area is hardly the North Atlantic is it which is where the L suffix is limited to. In fact their area of coverage is really only out to about 35W even though they do issue advisories on systems outside of this. http://severe.worldweather.wmo.int/tc/cgn/area/miami.html

[Cryomaniac]

Well this area is hardly the North Atlantic is it which is where the L suffix is limited to. In fact their area of coverage is really only out to about 35W even though they do issue advisories on systems outside of this. http://severe.worldweather.wmo.int/tc/cgn/area/miami.html

Hmmm. What would you suggest then? Unless they call it 90X or something.

[P.K.]

Well given Greece cover MetArea III 90G would be a possibility (Like with Fiji using F and La Reunion using R). I know Meteo-France actually prepare the bulletin for the western Mediterranean but F is already gone anyway. 90M would also be another option. Either way it is unlikely any system down there would actually get a number like this.

Edit - Greece would be 90H (From Hellas) and not 90G as I put before unless you want to use the Greek alphabet.

[Cryomaniac]

90M would also be another option. Either way it is unlikely any system down there would actually get a number like this.

90M Seems cool. I agree that it's unlikely that it will get anything, I do however think it should. As there is no precident my opinion is that it would be best to use 50L until someone comes up with something better.

[Category 5]

Looks a bit better today actually.

Anybody have a quikscat image?

[Coredesat]

QuikSCAT won't be run in this area until about 0415Z or so.

[Coredesat]

Definitely looks like a tropical cyclone at the moment. It looks like it's been picked up by a trough, though, and is being steered toward Sicily:

[Cyclone1]

What is that in the NW corner? TWO? Nah...

Still cool.

[Coredesat]

The low off the east coast of Spain appears to be another frontal low. Unlike this one, it's clearly not tropical, though it does seem to have some tropical characteristics (such as convection wrapping near the center).

[vegastar]

It seems to have organized overnight.

Look at:

http://oiswww.eumetsat.org/SDDI/cgi/listImages.pl?m=prod,a=1,sa=9,pr=RGB,f=1,c=AIR,se=2,n=6,d=1,v=100,pp=0,t=200710180400#controls

The appearance is of a sheared tropical cyclone (a tropical storm maybe), with some westerly shear.

Unfortunately quickscat missed it on the last passage, let's hope on the next pass it will catch the center.

From the linked satellite image I fix the center at 33N, 16E, moving ENE.

[littlevince]

The low off the east coast of Spain appears to be another frontal low. Unlike this one, it's clearly not tropical, though it does seem to have some tropical characteristics (such as convection wrapping near the center).

SAT VIS 20 minutes ago


10/18/2007 09:30 UTC

[TheEuropean]

40 kts at quiksat. This has to be a subtropical storm. Anyone to inform NHC?

[WmE]

40 kts at quiksat. This has to be a subtropical storm. Anyone to inform NHC?

Why, they won't initiate advisories. It's not in their area of responsibility.