Convection in the... Mediterranean?

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#41 Postby Coredesat » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:45 am

It isn't that simple as there is no category to place this system in, and there's no available designation to give it, unless they make it 90Q.
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#42 Postby Cryomaniac » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:56 am

50L surely?
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#43 Postby WmE » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:05 pm

Cryomaniac wrote:50L surely?


Well L means the Atlantic Basin and the Mediterranean isn't exactly part of the Atlantic, even though they are connected.
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#44 Postby JonathanBelles » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:10 pm

WmE wrote:
Cryomaniac wrote:50L surely?


Well L means the Atlantic Basin and the Mediterranean isn't exactly part of the Atlantic, even though they are connected.


So the Carib or the GOM shouldnt get the L? I agree with Cryonmaniac...I think this should be 50L.
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Re: Convection in the... Mediterranean?

#45 Postby TheEuropean » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:53 pm

Why 50L and why not 90L?
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#46 Postby Cyclone1 » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:19 pm

Wow, looking excellent!
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Re: Convection in the... Mediterranean?

#47 Postby Cryomaniac » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:28 pm

TheEuropean wrote:Why 50L and why not 90L?


Well why not then? Do you think it should be 90L?
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Re: Convection in the... Mediterranean?

#48 Postby P.K. » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:33 pm

Well this area is hardly the North Atlantic is it which is where the L suffix is limited to. In fact their area of coverage is really only out to about 35W even though they do issue advisories on systems outside of this. http://severe.worldweather.wmo.int/tc/cgn/area/miami.html
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Re: Convection in the... Mediterranean?

#49 Postby Cryomaniac » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:37 pm

P.K. wrote:Well this area is hardly the North Atlantic is it which is where the L suffix is limited to. In fact their area of coverage is really only out to about 35W even though they do issue advisories on systems outside of this. http://severe.worldweather.wmo.int/tc/cgn/area/miami.html


Hmmm. What would you suggest then? Unless they call it 90X or something.
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Re: Convection in the... Mediterranean?

#50 Postby P.K. » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:53 pm

Well given Greece cover MetArea III 90G would be a possibility (Like with Fiji using F and La Reunion using R). I know Meteo-France actually prepare the bulletin for the western Mediterranean but F is already gone anyway. 90M would also be another option. Either way it is unlikely any system down there would actually get a number like this.

Edit - Greece would be 90H (From Hellas) and not 90G as I put before unless you want to use the Greek alphabet. :wink:
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Re: Convection in the... Mediterranean?

#51 Postby Cryomaniac » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:08 pm

P.K. wrote:90M would also be another option. Either way it is unlikely any system down there would actually get a number like this.


90M Seems cool. I agree that it's unlikely that it will get anything, I do however think it should. As there is no precident my opinion is that it would be best to use 50L until someone comes up with something better.
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Re: Convection in the... Mediterranean?

#52 Postby Category 5 » Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:13 pm

Looks a bit better today actually.

Anybody have a quikscat image?
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#53 Postby Coredesat » Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:23 pm

QuikSCAT won't be run in this area until about 0415Z or so.
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#54 Postby Coredesat » Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:33 pm

Definitely looks like a tropical cyclone at the moment. It looks like it's been picked up by a trough, though, and is being steered toward Sicily:

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#55 Postby Cyclone1 » Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:47 pm

What is that in the NW corner? TWO? Nah...

Still cool.
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#56 Postby Coredesat » Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:59 pm

The low off the east coast of Spain appears to be another frontal low. Unlike this one, it's clearly not tropical, though it does seem to have some tropical characteristics (such as convection wrapping near the center).
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Re: Convection in the... Mediterranean?

#57 Postby vegastar » Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:07 am

It seems to have organized overnight.

Look at:

http://oiswww.eumetsat.org/SDDI/cgi/listImages.pl?m=prod,a=1,sa=9,pr=RGB,f=1,c=AIR,se=2,n=6,d=1,v=100,pp=0,t=200710180400#controls

The appearance is of a sheared tropical cyclone (a tropical storm maybe), with some westerly shear.

Unfortunately quickscat missed it on the last passage, let's hope on the next pass it will catch the center.

From the linked satellite image I fix the center at 33N, 16E, moving ENE.
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#58 Postby littlevince » Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:52 am

Coredesat wrote:The low off the east coast of Spain appears to be another frontal low. Unlike this one, it's clearly not tropical, though it does seem to have some tropical characteristics (such as convection wrapping near the center).


SAT VIS 20 minutes ago
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10/18/2007 09:30 UTC
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Re: Convection in the... Mediterranean?

#59 Postby TheEuropean » Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:18 am

40 kts at quiksat. This has to be a subtropical storm. Anyone to inform NHC?
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Re: Convection in the... Mediterranean?

#60 Postby WmE » Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:40 am

TheEuropean wrote:40 kts at quiksat. This has to be a subtropical storm. Anyone to inform NHC?


Why, they won't initiate advisories. It's not in their area of responsibility.
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