Models showing storm soon in Atlantic?

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#21 Postby Squarethecircle » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:28 pm

Pedro Fernández wrote:
Squarethecircle wrote:Yeep. It's scary when this kind of thing happens. I think I actually might have to make up my MIND about what's going on here.

On the one hand, the system looks [sort of] decent. It hasn't dropped to the surface yet (not even close). Shear is predictable for this time of year. In November I might be a tiny bit excited. I don't see the water warm enough, of course, because it's JANUARY, but that doesn't seem to be too much of a problem for the other storms that form off season (though that logic is a bit facetious). I'd like to see it make it, and it certainly has the best chance of anything since 95L, but seeing as that didn't have much of a chance anyway, I'm going to have to say that I just don't see this storm making it.


It is probably tropical systems which go out of the rules established by the scientists, are the origin of our great interest on them...

There is nothing more exciting than to monitor a hurricane out of season, or a tropical cyclone surprising the own NHC forecasters :lol:

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#22 Postby Coredesat » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:36 pm

Well, the system looks worse now than it did only 6 hours ago, so by this time tomorrow (or perhaps in 12 hours or so) we'll know if it'll make it. Right now I'm just seeing sheared convection associated with a surface trough (which may have closed off into a very broad low).
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#23 Postby curtadams » Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:55 pm

The models are much more bearish now and think this is as good as it's going to get.
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#24 Postby Pedro Fernández » Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:31 am

Squarethecircle wrote:
Pedro Fernández wrote:
Squarethecircle wrote:Yeep. It's scary when this kind of thing happens. I think I actually might have to make up my MIND about what's going on here.

On the one hand, the system looks [sort of] decent. It hasn't dropped to the surface yet (not even close). Shear is predictable for this time of year. In November I might be a tiny bit excited. I don't see the water warm enough, of course, because it's JANUARY, but that doesn't seem to be too much of a problem for the other storms that form off season (though that logic is a bit facetious). I'd like to see it make it, and it certainly has the best chance of anything since 95L, but seeing as that didn't have much of a chance anyway, I'm going to have to say that I just don't see this storm making it.


It is probably tropical systems which go out of the rules established by the scientists, are the origin of our great interest on them...

There is nothing more exciting than to monitor a hurricane out of season, or a tropical cyclone surprising the own NHC forecasters :lol:

:wink:


Yep, I agree that you are right. I side with you :ggreen:
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Re: Models showing storm soon?

#25 Postby Evil Jeremy » Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:57 am

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#26 Postby Coredesat » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:11 am

It's no different from yesterday; one heavily sheared surface trof, with an upper trof to the east. Upper level shear in this area is still around 50 kt, and the next front is progged to enter the Atlantic by the end of the day. This feature will probably be gone by tomorrow night.

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BROAD UPPER HIGH OVER THE CARIBBEAN EXTENDS INTO THE W ATLC W OF
75W WITH A BROAD UPPER TROUGH IN THE W/CENTRAL ATLC EXTENDING
FROM AN UPPER LOW NEAR 25N60W S TO 19N59W. THIS UPPER TROUGH
COUPLED WITH UPPER LEVEL DIFFLUENCE IS PRODUCING SCATTERED
SHOWERS/ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS FROM 22N-29N BETWEEN 45W-61W. A
SECOND WEAKER UPPER TROUGH IS OVER THE E/CENTRAL ATLC EXTENDING
FROM 32N43W TO 26N41W AND IS GENERATING AN AREA OF SCATTERED
SHOWERS AND WIDELY ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS FROM 27N-31N BETWEEN
35W-45W. A WEAK SURFACE TROUGH EXTENDS FROM 26N52W TO 19N50W.
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Re: Models showing storm soon?

#27 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:39 am

Evil Jeremy wrote:Looking good this morning.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/catl/loop-vis.html



I'm not impressed.
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#28 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:40 am

Ed Mahmoud wrote:
Evil Jeremy wrote:Looking good this morning.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/catl/loop-vis.html



I'm not impressed.



Of course, my opinion and $4 will get you a Venti coffee at Starbucks.
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Re: Models showing storm soon?

#29 Postby Blown Away » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:03 am

The 3500hr CMC shows a storm in the Gulf.
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#30 Postby Gustywind » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:37 pm

Nice area , but i'm not too much confidence on this to see something forming here.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/catl/wv.jpg
http://www.meteo.gp/EspacePro/donnees/s ... Tagant.jpg
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#31 Postby Cyclone1 » Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:20 pm

Looking somewhat impressive for a January system. The Atlantic should be totally void this time of year.

Meh...
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#32 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:27 pm

Cyclone1 wrote:Looking somewhat impressive for a January system. The Atlantic should be totally void this time of year.

Meh...



Looks a tad bit better.

Of course, even being in one of the lighter shear areas in the sub-tropical Atlantic now, it is still under 30 to 40 knots of shear per CIMMS

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Re: Models showing storm soon?

#33 Postby RL3AO » Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:30 pm

Blown_away wrote:The 3500hr CMC shows a storm in the Gulf.


3500hr? That would be around June 1. Early season storm. :lol:
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#34 Postby MiamiensisWx » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:04 pm

Blown_away wrote:The 3500hr CMC shows a storm in the Gulf.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

"The 384 hour GFS plows Miami"

"The Euro indicates a NOLA strike at 240 hours"

"The Canadian model demolishes my backyard!"

Thanks (seriously) for your injection of sanity.
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Re: Models showing storm soon?

#35 Postby dtrain44 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:32 am

Yeah, that's hilarious. The sad thing is, I didn't really think about it at first. It was just like "oh, in 3500 hours, the CMC thinks there'll be a storm." Wow.
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Re: Models showing storm soon?

#36 Postby HurricaneRobert » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:02 am

It does look better. It's not something I'm used to seeing when I bother to check out the open ocean in winter. Anyway it was only a week-and-a-half ago when we probably had a subtropical storm out there.
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#37 Postby Chacor » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:44 am

Next TWD should be out in an hour or two, that'll be interesting.
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#38 Postby Chacor » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:00 am

ATLANTIC OCEAN...
DEEP LAYERED TROUGH EXTENDS FROM THE CANADIAN MARITIMES ALONG
THE E COAST OF THE US TO THE E COAST OF FLORIDA WITH THE
ACCOMPANYING FRONTAL BOUNDARY INLAND OVER THE US. THE BROAD
UPPER RIDGE COVERING THE CARIBBEAN EXTENDS INTO THE SW ATLC S OF
24N W OF 65W WITH A BROAD UPPER LOW IN THE W/CENTRAL ATLC NEAR
26N56W COVERING THE AREA N OF 19N BETWEEN 50W-65W.
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#39 Postby Coredesat » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:10 am

Also:

A SURFACE TROUGH EXTENDS FROM 30N52W SW ALONG 24N57W TO 19N64W. UPPER
LEVEL DIFFLUENCE ASSOCIATED WITH A WEAK RIDGE AXIS TO THE E OF
THE UPPER LOW IS PRODUCING SCATTERED SHOWERS/ISOLATED
THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 300 NM E OF THE SURFACE TROUGH N OF 24N.

It's beginning to look interesting, despite the fact that it's embedded in the upper-level zonal flow according to the streamlines.
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Re: Models showing storm soon?

#40 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:32 am

Image

Is a mid-level low:

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
308 AM AST THU JAN 10 2008

.DISCUSSION...
MID LEVEL LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM AROUND 25N AND 50W WILL REMAIN
RELATIVELY STATIONARY NEXT 24 HOURS AND BEGIN TO FILL SLOWLY
THROUGH SATURDAY.
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