City wants to split Florida into 2 states

[Ed Mahmoud]

In seriousness, Florida does have more cultural diversity than any other state. Key West is a completely different world from Pensacola. I doubt there is another state with two so vastly different cultural regions.

El Paso and Texarkana ain't exactly sister cities...

[Cyclone1]

I'm not super opposed to the idea, but honestly. It's kinda stupid.

Florida is and always should be just Florida, in my opinion. If we're doing this, you might as well have Texas and Texico, North Michigan and South Michigan, North Alaska and South Alaska... you could do this with so many states.

Let's go for 100 states without purchasing any new land!!

[Ptarmigan]

Florida Panhandle and South Florida are different worlds. Some people call South Florida the sixth borough of New York. I know New York City area wants to split from New York state. New York City and Upstate New York are different worlds too. Northern California and Southern Oregon want to split and become the state of Jefferson. Texas can legally split into five states. I do not see that happening.

[Ptarmigan]

El Paso and Texarkana ain't exactly sister cities...

Try El Paso and Beaumont. They are 800 miles apart.

[Terrell]

I would support this if they moved the line up far enough to include Orlando and Tampa in South Florida.

Living in Orlando, I agree. Include Central Florida in S. Florida please.

[flwxwatcher]

Here is what I would propose for the new names:

North Florida would become Flori and the south part we'd just call DUH.

Really a stupid idea IMO

Agreed. this is one Dumb, dumb idea. You can take a lot of states and find huge differences bewteen different areas.

[HURAKAN]

I don't find the idea crazy or dumb. I believe most people in South Florida find that if all the money generated by the tourism industry stays in the area, we would have less problems. This is not because south and north are different culturally, geographically, politically, or anything else except for the economy. Of course a split will not be allowed by the Florida Legislature since if we take out Miami, the Beaches, and the Keys, what other resource would North Florida have to make money, Orlando, oranges, and the Beaches in the Panhandle? No disrespect intended, just an analysis.

By the way, do we have any Constitutional right to separate from an state and form a new one?

[flwxwatcher]

I don't find the idea crazy or dumb. I believe most people in South Florida find that if all the money generated by the tourism industry stays in the area, we would have less problems. This is not because south and north are different culturally, geographically, politically, or anything else except for the economy. Of course a split will not be allowed by the Florida Legislature since if we take out Miami, the Beaches, and the Keys, what other resource would North Florida have to make money, Orlando, oranges, and the Beaches in the Panhandle? No disrespect intended, just an analysis.

By the way, do we have any Constitutional right to separate from an state and form a new one?

I understand your argument
and I am sure the Orlando area could make a case about things would be better if all the tourism revenue stayed in the area .
I just think its a dumb idea because this argument could be made for just about every state in this country .

[Chacor]

By the way, do we have any Constitutional right to separate from an state and form a new one?

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

[Cyclone1]

Let's just buy the Bahamas and call them the East Keys.

[HURAKAN]

I just think its a dumb idea because this argument could be made for just about every state in this country .

I agree but the difference is that if anyone does something or just accept that nothing can be done.

[brunota2003]

Sounds like California . . . there are those who have been talking about breaking it up into 2 (or 3 if you are from the eastern and central portions of the state) for years . . .

Here is the reason the colony of "Carolina" was split in North Carolina and South Carolina in 1712. . .

Then you have the West Virginia/Virginia break up in 1860-something . . . so it wouldn't be unprecedented for a state to breakup over economic and political issues. .

The West Virginia/Virginia break-up occured when Virginia succeeded into the South. WVa's residents wanted nothing to do with succeeding from the Union, thus broke away in 1862, though it did not become "official" until June 20, 1863.

The initial thoughts had been in the works since at least 1831, because of unfair representation. The wealthy tidewater land owners were over seated in Va's state government, because slaves counted as people, and the western land owners were overtaxed.

[Cryomaniac]

By the way, do we have any Constitutional right to separate from an state and form a new one?

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

So not easily, then.

[Chacor]

Technically, it means that if Tallahassee and Capitol Hill both vote in favour, it can be done.

[HURAKAN]

Technically, it means that if Tallahassee and Capitol Hill both vote in favour, it can be done.

And there where to problem starts and the movement ends!

[gtalum]

Technically, it means that if Tallahassee and Capitol Hill both vote in favour, it can be done.

That's right, but what incentive does Tallahassee have to vote for this proposal?

[Derek Ortt]

Florida Panhandle and South Florida are different worlds. Some people call South Florida the sixth borough of New York. I know New York City area wants to split from New York state. New York City and Upstate New York are different worlds too. Northern California and Southern Oregon want to split and become the state of Jefferson. Texas can legally split into five states. I do not see that happening.

South Florida is NOT EVEN CLOSE to a Borough of NYC. However is saying that is beyond help

I'd go with Cuba Libre for the name of the proposed new state

[Ed Mahmoud]

Sounds like California . . . there are those who have been talking about breaking it up into 2 (or 3 if you are from the eastern and central portions of the state) for years . . .

Here is the reason the colony of "Carolina" was split in North Carolina and South Carolina in 1712. . .

Then you have the West Virginia/Virginia break up in 1860-something . . . so it wouldn't be unprecedented for a state to breakup over economic and political issues. .

The West Virginia/Virginia break-up occured when Virginia succeeded into the South. WVa's residents wanted nothing to do with succeeding from the Union, thus broke away in 1862, though it did not become "official" until June 20, 1863.

The initial thoughts had been in the works since at least 1831, because of unfair representation. The wealthy tidewater land owners were over seated in Va's state government, because slaves counted as people, and the western land owners were overtaxed.

If West Virginia stayed loyal to the Union and didn't secede, why does it get the modifier. It should be Virginia, and the state with Richmond in it should be East Virginia or South Virginia.


Why do we have two Dakotas?

[HURAKAN]

Why do we have two Dakotas?

As far as I know, both states were entered to the union as north and south. No problems here, no split. Just like North and South Carolina.

In the case of the Dakotas is that who came first, north or south? Both were entered at the same time, and because n is before s in the alphabet, then ND is the 39th state, while SD is the 40th state.

[gtalum]

If West Virginia stayed loyal to the Union and didn't secede, why does it get the modifier.

Because WV seceded from VA. I doubt anyone was overly concerned over states' names after the war.