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#901 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:18 pm

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#902 Postby jhamps10 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:27 pm

HURAKAN wrote:Image


wow, Accuweather just hit a new low, calling a 40MPH tropical storm's track as an eye path....
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#903 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:29 pm

:uarrow: That's what they call the "Cone of Uncertainty" even if there is no eye!!!
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in East Atlantic

#904 Postby Category 5 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:31 pm

This things days might be numbered, it's entering an area of no heat content. When it clears that in 48 hours, welcome to sheer city. I'd dismiss the chance of this becoming a Hurricane, or even becoming much stronger period. Any hopes of a nice long track fishy appear to be diminishing to me.


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#905 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:33 pm

to be fair, shear is decreasing in the high shear zone and it is 5 days away from it
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#906 Postby KWT » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:37 pm

Well given its in very low SSt's and low heat content right now and its still looking ok then I don't think its going to wekaen unless other factors kick in. I think the fact its got a good structure will also help to keep it going.

I think once it reaches 40W and manages to get back into the higher heat content and as long as its not fallen apart by then I see no reason why it can't strengthen at least for the first 24hrs its over that water, I think thats its best shot at becoming a powerful tropical storm, maybe higher but you just can't say to be honest!
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#907 Postby Gustywind » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:38 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:to be fair, shear is decreasing in the high shear zone and it is 5 days away from it

Yeah Derek it has a maybe a window opportunity to be something decent during its trip for sure... :roll:
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#908 Postby Recurve » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:44 pm

HURAKAN wrote:Image

Nice look! Bertha is showing off.


It is pretty, but in a delicate way. Perfect form but kinda puny, isn't it? With all due respect.

Likely headed toward swaths of shear.

Image Upper level shear.

Lower steering (latest), possibly staying south?
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#909 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:44 pm

I think that zero line on the oceanic heat content graph is at 26ºC. I think a weak system can remain steady state over water a degree or two cooler, if all else is favorable. Noting a slow intensification forecast by NHC, that appears to be the their reasoning as well.
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#910 Postby jaxfladude » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:56 pm

Be thankful that it is not yet Mid-August to October.....
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#911 Postby KWT » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:03 pm

That may be the case Ed, it does seem to match the 26C line pretty closely looking at that chart now.

recurve, shear is high but the tendency has been for it to decrease steadily on the southern part of the high shear zone. Anyway shouldn't be a problem for at least 96-120hrs yet anyway and plenty can happen in that time as we all know.

Also won't be long till we finally have floater on Bertha.
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#912 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:05 pm

KWT wrote:That may be the case Ed, it does seem to match the 26C line pretty closely looking at that chart now.

recurve, shear is high but the tendency has been for it to decrease steadily on the southern part of the high shear zone. Anyway shouldn't be a problem for at least 96-120hrs yet anyway and plenty can happen in that time as we all know.

Also won't be long till we finally have floater on Bertha.


I put one on http://www.nwhhc.com/satellite.html but you can only see the western extent of the circulation yet... maybe later tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest until the entire storm is available
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in East Atlantic

#913 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:28 pm

Convection comming back.

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#914 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:30 pm

:uarrow: It should be fully back tomorrow morning.
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#915 Postby KWT » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:35 pm

Yeah should be Hurakan at least to some extent with the Dmax taking place. I think convection probably will be a littlw thin on the ground for the next 36-48hrs with this system over the lower SST's but if it can survive that then warmer waters await it further to the west.
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in East Atlantic

#916 Postby soonertwister » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:41 pm

I'm an amateur, but I'm entirely unconvinced what big Bertha will take that nice parabolic recurve that is usually in the track forecast for building tropical storms. I've seen it not do so enough times that my confidence level is pretty low.

Over all the years of watching tropical systems, I've been amazed at how they confound the experts again and again. The presumption is that Bertha will recurve north and be destroyed by still existing unfavorable conditions. I've seen the scenario fail many times before.

God help a society that buys into absolutism when they can't even predict where hurricanes will go prior to the end game.
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#917 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:43 pm

Still a nice system, with nice convection refiring, most likely around 35-40 knots. I expect it to strengthen to 40-45 tonight.
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#918 Postby KWT » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:49 pm

I think if any deep convection does fire up over the center then its got the structure for it to up the winds a little bit IMO, if the deep convection carries on developing like it is right now as hit the Dmax later on then we should see the winds upped to 40kts I'd have thought. Still we shall have to wait and see how the cooler waters effect this system in the next 24hrs, esp at Dmin.
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in East Atlantic

#919 Postby Weatherfreak000 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:53 pm

Thinking a Hurricane out of Bertha, many, many storms have proven Hurricane status is possible with minimal SST's so long as the shear ratio is correct, and current shear maps dictate Bertha has quite a lot of time ahead of it.
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in East Atlantic

#920 Postby Eyewall » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:12 pm

This what im thinking. Disagree if you please.
The storm is now pushing closer and closer to a dry and stable airmass:
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Also looking at the heat content chart posted above, things are not working in the favor of intensification.
But as it heads on a WNW course, it will gain enough latitude to be affected by the break in the ridge and eventually curve off to sea.
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