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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2941 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:55 am

hahaha boy was I wrong about bertha. I figured shed be back to strengthening again by now...but i agree 75kt looks to be the best. The eye is fully dissipated now and its shooting several outflow boundaries out to the west that are disrupting its circulation further than the already strong shear. Bye bye Bertha!
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#2942 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:58 am

The steering currents could steer her back west, now that she's weaker right? But if she does that she'll encounter even higher shear...
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2943 Postby deltadog03 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:00 am

WOW, I am a bit suprised at this too...She looks horrible compared to 6 hours ago.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2944 Postby boca » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:01 am

It doesn't look like Bermuda will have to worry about Bertha and I wouldn't be surprised if Bertha was a tropical storm by 5pm.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2945 Postby Sanibel » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:01 am

Bertha enjoyed a tropical airmass as it crossed the mid-Atlantic, but has now entered the western basin synoptic that has been hostile so far this year.

It fed off this favorable environment to gain strength. Meanwhile there was a TUTT-type upper feature to its north that we didn't really see as well as we should have venting Bertha's outflow. So Bertha drew strength from this favorable tropical belt and had it pulled away by the TUTT in effect enhancing the cyclonic engine. Now Bertha has pulled-up into the full face of the shear and out of that favorable belt. I guess it will wind down now and maybe wipe out.
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#2946 Postby Thunder44 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:03 am

WmE wrote:Could there be a dry air intrusion due to the shear?


Looks like shear has increased and it's entraining more dry air from the south and west.
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#2947 Postby Chacor » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:03 am

I wonder what's the record for fastest weakening.
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#2948 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:08 am

Chacor wrote:I wonder what's the record for fastest weakening.

I dont know but it looks to be weakening just as fast as it strengthened yesterday...
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2949 Postby dixiebreeze » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:09 am

She seems a tad more westerly right now -- earlier she looked N of the tropical points and now right on them.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-rb.html
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#2950 Postby KWT » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:12 am

The eye is closing on that loop dixie so its tough to tell the exact direction, I just wonder whether this rapid weakening will allow it to bend back to the WNW again for a breif while or whether its too far north now?
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#2951 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:13 am

HurricaneHunter914 wrote:The steering currents could steer her back west, now that she's weaker right? But if she does that she'll encounter even higher shear...


Let's take a look at the latest 700mb-400mb (10,000-20,000ft) mean flow as projected by the latest GFS:

Current map. Note the blocking high to its northwest over Bermuda:
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Now the forecast for 10am CDT Wednesday. High near Bermuda weakening and moving NE as trof moves off east U.S. Coast:
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Valid 10am Thursday. High building over the SE U.S., trof off the east U.S. Coast. High that was over Bermuda continues moving off to the northeast and out of the way of Bertha.
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And by 10am CDT Friday, high pressure still moving off to the NNE north of Bertha. Deep trof off the east U.S. Coast. West and NW winds from the eastern U.S. nearly to Bermuda. Bertha would need internal propulsion to reach the U.S. under this flow:
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2952 Postby dixiebreeze » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:14 am

I don't think the fat lady (Bertha) has sung her song yet.
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#2953 Postby Buck » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:14 am

I bet some good wobbling is about to begin.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2954 Postby deltadog03 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:15 am

Wxman, great job as usual, but what do you think about a possible decoupling of MLC and LLC?
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2955 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:17 am

Assuming the GFS charts plotted by WxMan57 are even close, Bertha sleeps with Luca Brazzi.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2956 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:18 am

deltadog03 wrote:Wxman, great job as usual, but what do you think about a possible decoupling of MLC and LLC?


If it gets really weak (sheared TS or depression) then it would track more with the lower level flow. That could take it on the west side of Bermuda before recurving. In 3-4 days, even the low-level flow will be coming off the East U.S. Coast. So no U.S. threat.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2957 Postby Sanibel » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:19 am

No amount of trying to pull that back west will work.

The eye is still there and on track. Just under sheared clouds.

I was trying to tell people to wait to see what it does when it hits the unfavorable west basin. This area was brutal to storms in the last two seasons.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2958 Postby deltadog03 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:23 am

Oh, I agree with you, the US threat is imo zero, but just thought this may shear out so much that it could decouple..
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#2959 Postby KWT » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:33 am

Mainland USA is no threat but obviously if the track were to shift a little back to the wes again then it would bring Bermuda back into play somewhat.

Sanibel, to an extent true though lets not forget it is only July 8th, the fact Bertha got as strong a sit did at all is a heck of an achievement!
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2960 Postby srainhoutx » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:36 am

wxman57, deltadog03, Derek thank you for your voice of reason the past few days. Bertha had a big day yesterday for sure.
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