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#3061 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:49 pm

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Deep convection coming back.
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#3062 Postby KWT » Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:49 pm

Hurakan, right now it looks like a pretty standard July hurricane, sheared but still bursting decent amounts of convection, however for a breif 18hrs it looked like a powerful hurricane you'd tend to find later in the season.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3063 Postby alan1961 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:54 pm

This is also connected to the Dundee site too

http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/geobrowse/geobrowse.php
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#3064 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:27 pm

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Don't give up on Bertha just yet.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3065 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:28 pm

FYI, on my GARP workstation, I just measured a 3 and 6-hr motion of Bertha.

3-hr - toward 310 deg. at 10.5 kts (1545Z-1845Z)
3-hr - toward 309 deg. at 10 kts (1845Z-2145Z)
6-hr - toward 309-310 deg. at a little over 10 kts

Still moving northwest at about the same speed all day. Most convection appears to be northeast of the center. I don't think a storm like this would qualify for a hurricane upgrade at this point.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3066 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:32 pm

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ACE (104kt²) (Source) — Storm:
1 8.58 Bertha 2 0.37 Arthur
Total: 8.95


Bertha has the highest ACE in the Atlantic since Hurricane Félix, 2007.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3067 Postby cpdaman » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:39 pm

wxman57 wrote:FYI, on my GARP workstation, I just measured a 3 and 6-hr motion of Bertha.

3-hr - toward 310 deg. at 10.5 kts (1545Z-1845Z)
3-hr - toward 309 deg. at 10 kts (1845Z-2145Z)
6-hr - toward 309-310 deg. at a little over 10 kts

Still moving northwest at about the same speed all day. Most convection appears to be northeast of the center. I don't think a storm like this would qualify for a hurricane upgrade at this point.


i had 22.1 N 53.8 W at 1500Z and now 22.7 /55 at 2145 Z

which is more like 300 degrees i believe
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3068 Postby dixiebreeze » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:49 pm

Could Bertha skate more westerly if this ridge continues to build:

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/wv-l.jpg
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3069 Postby cpdaman » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:53 pm

18Z gfs calls for the storm to be very close to bermuda (which is a slight left shift) but we shall see if that is consistent.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3070 Postby dizzyfish » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:56 pm

Checking out things today and I see two things. ULL to her left and a high to her right.
Can she just shoot between those and go out to sea? Or, is it still too early to tell?

Or, am I nuts? lol
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3071 Postby cpdaman » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:58 pm

i would think if she strengthens she would shoot the gap but then again i don't know if the TUTT weakness is enough to move her at 55 longitude?
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3072 Postby jaxfladude » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:59 pm

Will this be the set-up for most of this season(as it relates to Bertha), or is it any given tropical cyclone? ....
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3073 Postby dizzyfish » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:01 pm

cpdaman wrote:i would think if she strengthens she would shoot the gap but then again i don't know if the TUTT weakness is enough to move her at 55 longitude?


So if she stays weak she can miss that?

Sorry for the dumb questions. :roll:
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3074 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:04 pm

cpdaman wrote:
wxman57 wrote:FYI, on my GARP workstation, I just measured a 3 and 6-hr motion of Bertha.

3-hr - toward 310 deg. at 10.5 kts (1545Z-1845Z)
3-hr - toward 309 deg. at 10 kts (1845Z-2145Z)
6-hr - toward 309-310 deg. at a little over 10 kts

Still moving northwest at about the same speed all day. Most convection appears to be northeast of the center. I don't think a storm like this would qualify for a hurricane upgrade at this point.


i had 22.1 N 53.8 W at 1500Z and now 22.7 55 at 2145 Z

which is more like 300 degrees i believe


That 22.1N/53.8W for 15Z was a forecast position. I'm measuring the actual position by putting my cursor on the screen and identifying the LLC at 22.1N/54.1W at 15Z. 53.8W is east of the convective band around the center at 15Z. Better yet, here's a screen shot of my workstation with the cursor at the NHC forecast position of 22.1N/53.8W at 15Z with the 15Z satellite. The center is clearly visible west of the NHC forecast position.

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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3075 Postby cpdaman » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:34 pm

wxman would you think bertha would turn more Northward should she strengthen this evening, or is that tutt influence waning


also it appears she has gained an appendage on her far east side which stretches pretty far south along 50 W
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#3076 Postby KWT » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:34 pm

So is it still heading NW or is there any subtle bend back towards the WNW. I should say that Bermuda still needs to watch out as the models are starting to shift back to the west just a little bit, not by much granted but with a weaker storm there will be a little less poleward pull I'd guess towards the weakness.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3077 Postby tolakram » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:36 pm

NHC loops working again:

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-avn.html

and some red is coming back.

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I find the water vapor loop shows structure changes quite well.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-wv.html
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3078 Postby cpdaman » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:43 pm

tolakram can you tell where the center is. is it on the south or south west side of convection?
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3079 Postby cpdaman » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:00 pm

re-strengthening? building convection on west side

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-bd.html
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3080 Postby tolakram » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:15 pm

cpdaman wrote:tolakram can you tell where the center is. is it on the south or south west side of convection?


I assume it's on the west or south west side of the convection. I'm not very good at locating anything. ;)
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