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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3101 Postby JonathanBelles » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:43 pm

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Advisory 070808

Bertha weakens throughout the day, but regains her footing.

No graphic at this time.

Central Atlantic...Category 1 Hurricane Bertha. This storm is not to be ruled out any time soon. Even though Big Bertha fell to a category 1 after being a major hurricane, I believe the lessening of intensity has slowed. Intensity should become pretty stationary at 80-85mph, and possibly 90mph as Bertha is going to be going over warmer waters. There may be a slow strengthening of Bertha. I think that the northwesterly motion will continue over the next day or two slightly slowing down.

Sights will soon turn to impact as Bermuda and later the east coast of the US will feel the waves pick up in the next day or so with gusty winds in Bermuda possible. I would still stay prepared in Bermuda as the slowing forward speed can change a forecast.

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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3102 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:53 pm

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I am personally not in agreement with the guidance.

If shear abates as expected, I think Bertha's small size will be conducive for rapid changes in intensity - and that means I think another bout of rapid intensification is possible. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Bertha back over 100 kt at this time tomorrow.
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#3103 Postby NDG » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:54 pm

Lets see, in the last 6 hrs Bertha has gained .3 deg N & one whole degree west, yeah that's a continuing NW movement alright, :lol:
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#3104 Postby Chacor » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:03 pm

08/00 20.5N 52.3W
08/06 21.1N 52.9W
08/12 21.8N 53.5W
08/18 22.4N 54.4W
09/00 22.8N 55.4W

24-hour change: +2.3/-3.1. Except for the last six hours, when it was much weaker, overall trend is still close to NW.
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#3105 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:04 pm

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#3106 Postby NDG » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:18 pm

Chacor wrote:08/00 20.5N 52.3W
08/06 21.1N 52.9W
08/12 21.8N 53.5W
08/18 22.4N 54.4W
09/00 22.8N 55.4W

24-hour change: +2.3/-3.1. Except for the last six hours, when it was much weaker, overall trend is still close to NW.


My point is that for the last 12hrs Bertha has been moving WNW, it better get back to a NW motion rightaway or its forecasted track will continue to shift westward, which will not happen right away because it is being influenced by the ridge over Bermuda and while it sits stationary and not start moving eastward Bertha will continue moving WNW.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3107 Postby orion » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:19 pm

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I see lower shear for the near future - around 15 kts now and current tendency is decreasing. But, there is strong shear to the north and it's currently increasing in that area. SSTs are about 27 around Bertha as well as to her north west. Looks like convection is building back, especially southwest of the center. For a central pressure of 985mb, the steering currents look to me like they could push her a little west of what the current forecast is.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/atlantic/winds/wg8dlm3.GIF

I am thinking a westward movement and some increase in intensity tonight and tomorrow, then weakening again as she hits the higher shear and makes the turn towards the north.

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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3108 Postby jaxfladude » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:25 pm

NO more track shifts to the west..!!!
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#3109 Postby NDG » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:39 pm

Don't worry, it should be more of a worry for Bermuda, chances of making it to the US are slim if any with the continuing troughing in the eastern US.
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#3110 Postby JonathanBelles » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:44 pm

NDG wrote:Don't worry, it should be more of a worry for Bermuda, chances of making it to the US are slim if any with the continuing troughing in the eastern US.


precisely why we dont want any more shifts to the west.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3111 Postby tolakram » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:49 pm

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Center starting to show.

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Comparison ... about an hour apart:

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#3112 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:55 pm

Looks to be strengthening again. I think it was 65 kt at the advisory and at least 70 kt now.
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#3113 Postby JonathanBelles » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:40 pm

Looks to be re-wrapping deep convection.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3114 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:28 am

It appears it is starting to restrengthen some. GO BERTHA GO, Become a cat3 again!!!
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#3115 Postby Mecklenburg » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:58 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:It appears it is starting to restrengthen some. GO BERTHA GO, Become a cat3 again!!!

no, become a cat. 4
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3116 Postby Thunder44 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:55 am

Mecklenburg wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:It appears it is starting to restrengthen some. GO BERTHA GO, Become a cat3 again!!!

no, become a cat. 4


It won't be a Cat 3 or 4 anytime soon. 6z models have this at 65kts now, and ADT numbers are at TS strength. The convection looks a bit weaker then it was earlier tonight. The eye hasn't reappeared again either.
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Re: Hurricane Bertha in Central Atlantic

#3117 Postby Nimbus » Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:56 am

Looks like we will have plenty of time to watch especially if the first short wave misses.
I think we will see an eye again but to strengthen much would require warmer SST's low shear and an outflow channel.

The official forecast opinion is that:
"[quote][IT IS STILL TOO EARLY TO KNOW WHETHER BERTHA WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON
BERMUDA/quote]

Big difference between a weak TS passing near Bermuda or a Hurricane. Hope we get a strong trough.
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#3118 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:21 am

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First visible.
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#3119 Postby KWT » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:26 am

Bertha still seems to be heading NW though at a less sharp angle it appears then when it was a major hurricane. IMO looking at it right now it probably is still a hurricane but one that is really lacking any decent organisation at the present time other then the strong CDO which is still in place.

Track could still get close to Bermuda, offical NHC track is decently to the east but the main problem is the foward speed has dropped right away.
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#3120 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:33 am

Bermuda can hande a hurricane very well. They had relatively little damage from Florence
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