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#4321 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:20 pm

Hurricanewatcher2007, it does look interesting if you look at it like that but you are probably seeing the MLC, the current LLC is still clearly tucked into the deep convection, low level cloud streaming into that convective blob where the LLC IMO is. In what state its in, thats another matter!
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#4322 Postby TTheriot1975 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:21 pm

I would say it looks that way too...there is a burst of clouds that seem to be moving more north with the circulation around it.
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#4323 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:23 pm

The western gulf of mexico including Texas
and Mexico will have to watch this very
closely. Especially South Texas.
What Dolly does over the Yucatan has
implications for intensity forecasts thereafter
and into the time period when it moves
into Texas.
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#4324 Postby Jason_B » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:23 pm

If you look at this system as a whole, whether or not there's a new LLC, it's heading in the general direction as the NHC cone. So yes I have to agree with those who say the NHC is on with this one.
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#4325 Postby funster » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:25 pm

Jason_B wrote:If you look at this system as a whole, whether or not there's a new LLC, it's heading in the general direction as the NHC cone. So yes I have to agree with those who say the NHC is on with this one.


Most definitely - it's a big cone though! :-)
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Western Caribbean

#4326 Postby Cape Verde » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:26 pm

HURRICANELONNY wrote:I don't see that "Cape Verde."


Then it might be the fact that I upgraded to a new java download today. The forecast points are messed up on all my maps from NOAA.
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#4327 Postby stevetampa33614 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:28 pm

Jason_B wrote:If you look at this system as a whole, whether or not there's a new LLC, it's heading in the general direction as the NHC cone. So yes I have to agree with those who say the NHC is on with this one.



Im 1-0 on this forum so far. So hear goes.

Looking at the Rainbow loop. The burst of convection where the LLC is MOVING to the center of the storm. I do no not believe the center will make landfall . Its LLC is sliding Neast.

The last 2 frames you see the blow up and then slide.
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#4328 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:28 pm

What I am seeing is the MLC dropping down towards the LLC, I dare say the LLC has also moved a little bit further north then it otherwise would do and if this keeps up the two will get stacked up before the Yucatan. MLC now just to the north of the deep convective burst.

Center should strengthen under that strong convective burst, wonder what recon will show?!
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#4329 Postby HarlequinBoy » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:30 pm

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#4330 Postby stevetampa33614 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:30 pm

stevetampa33614 wrote:
Jason_B wrote:If you look at this system as a whole, whether or not there's a new LLC, it's heading in the general direction as the NHC cone. So yes I have to agree with those who say the NHC is on with this one.



Im 1-0 on this forum so far. So hear goes.

Looking at the Rainbow loop. The burst of convection where the LLC is MOVING to the center of the storm. I do no not believe the center will make landfall . Its LLC is sliding Neast.

The last 2 frames you see the blow up and then slide.


Oh ya Infrared clearly shows it.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/loop-ir2.html
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#4331 Postby funster » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:31 pm

Seems to be a bit more convection off to the west of Dolly now - maybe that's a sign the ULL's influence is finally fading.
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Western Caribbean

#4332 Postby PTrackerLA » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:32 pm

We need a few more hours of satellite (and of course recon) to confirm but IMO the center is nearing 20 north. The vigorous MLC continues to better in appearance and the LLC will eventually align with it. My vote is for Dolly to pass just north of Cozumel and clipping the Yucatan.
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#4333 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:32 pm

National Hurricane Center I agree with them. I posted a forecast
track a couple days ago for Dolly, at that time 94L, and had it
going into South Texas/North Mexico. I'm getting
better at forecasting paths of tropical systems, finally.

Nevertheless, I do hope that this does NOT get strong
because I HATE to see people suffer. I saw the pictures of Rita
and Katrina and the damage and felt terrible realizing
how much suffering people went through.
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#4334 Postby Derek Ortt » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:34 pm

Hurricanewatcher2007 wrote:This is how it looks to me!

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From another pro met

Stop looking north of the convection. There is nothing there

This is crossing the Yucatan
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#4335 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:35 pm

Even if the center does reform a degree farther North, I'd remind people that Houston is about 4º North of the forecast point, and assuming the forecast track is otherwise close, especially with the curvature of the coast, Houston is still probably not getting a direct visit from Dolly.


If the center reforms over the Isla de Juventud, then I'd worry.
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#4336 Postby stevetampa33614 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:35 pm

What do you guys think.

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#4337 Postby Steve » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:36 pm

>>Seems to be a bit more convection off to the west of Dolly now - maybe that's a sign the ULL's influence is finally fading.

As it has been backing off to the SW, the pattern reversal has been improving the environmental conditions all day long. That should continue leading to a pretty calm upper environment as the reversal completes. Question are does the forward speed continue and does the proverbial snowball start rolling downhill as the heat engine (that is a hurricane) attempts to crank. Only time will tell.

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#4338 Postby whereverwx » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:37 pm

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#4339 Postby Steve » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:38 pm

>>What do you guys think.

Spinning in and revolving around a more central axis. JMO

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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Western Caribbean

#4340 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:38 pm

stevetampa33614 wrote:What do you guys think.

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I think it is moving west towards the Yucatan. Sometimes the outflow/shearing
of systems can confuse people about the direction.
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