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#13021 Postby artist » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:17 pm

soonertwister wrote:
Brent wrote:But yeah, major kudos to the NHC. Once again they did an amazing job.

The NHC was remarkably on target with Ike. They gave everyone all the needed time to evacuate comfortably from danger. It's just a darned shame that more didn't heed the warning.

We don't know what's happened at Galveston, but looking at places like Kemah, Seabrook and others on the east side of Galveston Bay, that area appears heavily devastated.

It is not being sanitized. There are reporters on the island and if they can get to an area they can report about it. The problem is there are downed lines, boats in the streets, debris everywhere, as well as flooding. Simply wanting the news copters out of the way as they try to find those that need to be rescued is not sanitzing in my opinion. And the causeway has been damaged as well.
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Re: ATL IKE: Tropical Storm - Discussion

#13022 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:31 pm

The diameter of Ike's tropical storm and hurricane force winds were 550 and 240 miles, respectively, making it the largest Atlantic hurricane on record, and almost twice as big as Hurricane Katrina in the 2005 season.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Ike

Is this true that Ike is the largest tropical cyclone in Atlantic history???
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Re: ATL IKE: Tropical Storm - Discussion

#13023 Postby Mello1 » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:33 pm

KHOU copter is up. Saying on air that Crystal Beach is gone -- report from people who had to be rescued....

http://www.khou.com/video/?nvid=178826& ... s&noad=yes

A lot of beach homes damaged, a lot still in tact. Lots of flooding...
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Re: ATL IKE: Tropical Storm - Discussion

#13024 Postby mawolf3 » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:37 pm

here is a good link someone posted yesterday if you dont have it.

http://flhurricane.com/ikecoverage.html
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Re: ATL IKE: Tropical Storm - Discussion

#13025 Postby Windy » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:38 pm

You can follow the chopper on Google maps if you pan along blue water highway -- it'll come to Galveston soon. The difference between the sat shots and what the chopper is seeing is pretty amazing.
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#13026 Postby jopatura » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:43 pm

KTRK is saying body bags are being brought to Galveston, but stress that it's just precaution.
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#13027 Postby JuliannaMKH » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:51 pm

Windy, that's exactly what I've been doing as I'm not familiar with the area. It really gives perspective on the damage done. :eek:
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Re: ATL IKE: Tropical Storm - Discussion

#13028 Postby Texas Snowman » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:59 pm

From the KHOU forum (not verified fact):

The water was all the way up to the fruit stand in High Island.

If that proves to be true, then there was a storm surge well in excess of 20 feet because High Island is just that, higher than all of the surrounding area. I'm pretty certain the town's elevation is 20 plus feet.
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#13029 Postby Deathray » Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:26 pm

ABC, NBC, CBS (KHOU) all using the same helicopter feed

Fox 26 Houston cameraman just took a fall lol
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#13030 Postby Cyclone Runner » Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:50 pm

7 Ike-related Deaths in Texas and Louisiana being reported by AP so far:

A 10-year-old boy died north of Houston when a falling tree limb hit him in the head, the Montgomery County Sheriff's Office said.

A 19-year-old man drowned Friday off the coast of Corpus Christi. The Coast Guard has been searching for 19-year-old Michael Moxly off the shores of Corpus Christi, Texas. Petty Officer Josh Morales says Moxly was on a jetty when he was swept away Friday off North Padre Island as Ike approached a Texas landfall.

An elderly person died as he was transferring from a home in Brazoria County to a shelter in Bell County, said Doc Adams, Brazoria's emergency management coordinator.

Two members of a Lake Charles-area family fleeing from Hurricane Ike were killed Friday in a collision between two sport utility vehicles on Interstate 10 in Iberville Parish, State Police said Friday. he victims were identified as Warren Rideau, 53, and Marie L. Bonhomme, 83.

Authorities say a Pinehurst, Texas woman died in her bed early Saturday after a tree fell on her home, crushing her. Officials say she was the first reported death attributed to Ike.

Louisiana officials say a 16-year-old boy drowned Saturday after falling out of a fishing boat in Ike-flooded Bayou Dularge.
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#13031 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:51 pm

Earlier quote from KHOU feed stated that Crystal Beach (on the Bolivar Peninsula NE of Galveston and Port Bolivar) was "blown" away by the surge. "Nothing" is left, according to recent reports arriving... the station is receiving these recent reports from other sources. Quotation marks denote direct quotes from the live KHOU station... those portions are NOT my words.

I vaguely recall one member from the past seasons... he/she resided in Crystal Beach.

Link to the aforementioned live KHOU stream:

http://www.khou.com/video/?nvid=178826&live=yes&noad=yes
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Re: ATL IKE: Tropical Storm - Discussion

#13032 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:58 pm

I'm looking through the archives, and this seems very similar to another storm in 1941, with the inland threat that the NHC probably will not be bold enough to forecast: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/dtx/stories/dtxcane.php

The Astonishing Storm of September 25th, 1941

Earlier, I mentioned "one storm that screams for attention", but maybe "howls" would be more appropriate. Before researching this project, I expected to find the above case scenarios, but not the following...

A tropical storm formed in mid September over the eastern Gulf of Mexico (off the coast of Florida) on September 17th, 1941. It pushed west across the Gulf, stopping only to make a loop in its track, well south of New Orleans. By this time it was a hurricane, intensifying briefly to a category #3 storm (111-130 mph wind) offshore as it took aim on eastern Texas. The hurricane made landfall on the 23rd near Freeport, Texas with an estimated wind of 110 mph, extremely high tides of nearly 11 feet and a barometer reading of 28.31 inches (959 MB). Further to the northeast, a ship just offshore of Texas City recorded a lowest pressure of 28.66 inches and winds of 83 mph. Other wind gusts were estimated near 100 mph at several locations near the hurricane's center along the Texas Gulf Coast. The hurricane quickly weakened to a category #1 (74-95 mph) as it made landfall and by the time the storm pushed on north to Houston, wind gusts had already dropped to 75 mph. Four lives were lost from the storm in Texas and property damage was estimated at $6.5 million (1941 dollars).

The storm continued to roar on its northward path through Texas and by 7 am on the 24th, it was located near the city of Tyler, over extreme northeast Texas. From this point on, the storm's last 36 hours or so really grabs ones interest for peculiarity as it tracked through the Mississippi Valley and on into the Great Lakes. From 7AM on the 24th to 7am the 25th, the storm shot northeast from Tyler to near Battle Creek, Michigan, covering close to 1000 miles in 24 hours! Thus, the forward movement of the remnants of the hurricane averaged 40 to 45 mph as it approached Southern Lower Michigan. As the storm tracked into the Great Lakes, it merged with a fairly strong cold front that pushed across the upper Midwest into the Lakes. The combination of the strong push of cool fall air, strong upper level dynamics and the remnants of the hurricane created quite a storm (not unlike the more common intense late fall cyclones that are seen in the Great Lakes). In addition, the track and speed of our "hurricane" brings to mind that of the "Panhandle Low" type of low pressure system in the winter (more information). While the speed of the system was fairly quick, it's not uncommon for hurricanes to accelerate northeast as they become extratropical and get "picked up" by the mid-latitude upper winds or jet stream. Yet, what was really unusual and noteworthy was the surface wind that accompanied the storm as it moved through the Great Lakes. By the time hurricanes make it this far north, they usually have blown themselves out, at least to the extent that surface winds are only gusting to, at best, 30 or 40 mph. Note the following, taken from the Detroit weather records on September 25th, 1941:

Windstorm: An intense tropical cyclone moving up from the Gulf thru eastern Texas (causing great damage in Texas), along the Missip. Valley and thence Newd across Ill & Mich, passing W & NW of Detroit with gale force winds and gusts to 65 mph from 10:18 AM - 2:30 PM & gusts to 75 mph 12:30 PM - 2:00 PM (see envelope back of book for newspaper clippings).
Most of the above noted news clippings show widespread wind damage to trees and power lines that would be commonplace in severe thunderstorms or a derecho. A derecho is a widespread windstorm consisting of a complex of thunderstorms that develop into a long-lived squall line. But there also were some unusual or freakish happenings (as the Detroit Free Press deemed them) as well. The following is taken September 26th, 1941, the day after, from the Detroit Free Press about the storm:

"River goes dry"

There were many freakish effects of the wind, including baring of the Detroit River "middle grounds" off Belle Isle when water was backed into Lake St. Clair. The southwest gale literally blew the water out of The Detroit River, reducing its level by three feet, and leaving hundreds of pleasure craft high and dry on the muddy bottom. Several yachts broke their mooring or were heeled over at the Detroit Yacht Club. Another odd effect was the noticeable swaying of Downtown skyscrapers as the full force of the gale struck. Office employees who left tall downtown skyscrapers, were later reassured by engineers.
The Free Press goes on to say that "shortly after noon, the wind blew steadily at 56 miles an hour, but a times gusts reached hurricane velocity of 75 miles an hour." Dozens of people were injured by falling glass from windows blown out or debris tossed by the wind. One woman was literally blown into a fire hydrant, suffering a possible skull fracture. Other reports of scattered damage to homes and businesses across the region were mentioned in the article. In addition, the fierce wind churned up giant waves on the Lakes, including Lake Huron into the St. Clair River where two barges were blown ashore from of the shipping channel, even after dropping their heaviest anchors. In Southeast Lower Michigan, Storm Warnings were posted on Lakes Huron, Erie and St Clair at 10:30, the morning of the 25th. Downed telephone lines caused a disruption of service and communication across the Great Lakes and elsewhere. The "dying" hurricane left a trail of damage from Texas clear up into the Great Lakes and Canada. The wind of the storm was equated to an intense fall low pressure system that hit the area on November 29th, 1919 in which the wind blew 67 mph in Detroit and to the "Black Friday" storm in November of 1913.

The fact that the hurricane, after weakening and becoming extratropical, traveled over a thousand miles and still was able to maintain that much wind is extraordinary in itself. As the storm moved into Southern Lower Michigan, its center tracked northeast across Battle Creek, Lansing, Saginaw and then out over Lake Huron and into Ontario. Judging by the lowest pressure readings at Detroit (29.25 inches) and Flint (29.17 inches), where the wind gusted to 69 mph, its central pressure was estimated to around 29.10 inches (about 985 MB). Quite impressive for the remnants of a "dying" hurricane in the Great Lakes in September. In fact, this is the second lowest pressure reading ever recorded in Detroit during the month of September (the first being 29.21 inches on Sep 29th, 1966, during the passage of an intense early fall low pressure system).

One can only make a random guess as to the chances of another hurricane-force wind storm, from remnants of an actual hurricane, hitting the Great Lakes again. Since it was the only one of its kind in the record books at Detroit since records began in 1870, it may take several 100 years before another similar storm affects the region!
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#13033 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:07 pm

Crystal Beach report:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/09/hurricane-ike-a.html

Connie Travis, 53, laid her head on her husband's shoulder getting off a Coast Guard helicopter with him and their son Matthew Nez, 36. They'd been evacuated from Crystal Beach in Galveston County.

"The whole island is under water. It's total destruction. Everything that was on the ground is washed away," she said. "That was the scariest night of my whole like. I'm still shaking."
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Re: ATL IKE: Tropical Storm - Discussion

#13034 Postby Mello1 » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:11 pm

Thanks for that Crazy. I think....
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#13035 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:16 pm

The lack of more specific, detailed reports from Crystal Beach, Gilchrist, High Island, and surrounding areas between Port Bolivar and Port Arthur is disconcerting.

KHOU is interviewing a couple from Crystal Beach... they walked for "four miles" from (?) High Island through the waves. They originally attempted to evacuate, but flooding prevented a safe departure from the island. They're explicitly stating that people were standing on roofs just above water in Crystal Beach, and they noted that the entire place was flooded and "gone." Alligators were reportedly swimming through the streets... apparently, only a "handful" of residences are standing, and those homes were entirely (or nearly) submerged.

That region is a "total disaster zone" per reports.

It sounds eerily (and sadly) reminescent of Rita in Holly Beach, Cameron, Johnson's Bayou, Port Arthur, and other areas in SE Texas/SW Louisiana. Total annihilation/destruction appears to have occurred in some areas...
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#13036 Postby gboudx » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:30 pm

Just reporting from Rockwall. 2" of rain. Winds were sustained in the 20's and gusted in the 40's. Rain was solid, nonstop for about 6 hours.
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#13037 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:31 pm

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#13038 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:39 pm

Jijenji wrote:By Chris Paschenko / The Daily News

TEXAS CITY ­— Bolivar Peninsula communities were covered by the storm surge from Hurricane Ike’s early Saturday landfall, and residents told harrowing stories of how they survived by floating until the waters receded.

Texas National Guard helicopters flew many of the evacuees from across the county to a staging area at the Texas City school district’s Stingaree Stadium parking lot, where they were loaded onto buses bound for Austin.

Two military helicopters landed at 3:50 p.m. and unloaded about a dozen people and their pets.

While waiting to board a bus, Kathi Norton and her husband Paul Norton said they endured the storm surge from their Crystal Beach home about two blocks from the seaside.

”We got a late start to get out Friday, and there was two feet of water,” Kathi Norton said. “There was no way we could get out, because rollover pass was flooded.”

As the waves pounded on the Nortons’ home standing on 14-foot stilts, they felt the floors buckle.

About midnight, the couple left the home and they watched as it rolled over onto their flagpole.

”We floated on staircases, anything we could get a hold of,” Kathi Norton said. “We floated until about 4 a.m. Roofs were coming at us. It was not a pretty picture.”

As the water receded, the Nortons, who lived on Gulf Shores Drive, waded in waist-deep surf to the Crystal Beach post office. They said few homes and none of the businesses withstood the storm.

”My husband made me wear a life jacket inside our house,” Norton said. “Thank God for that or I couldn’t be here.”

The Nortons boarded Texas National Guard helicopters, which flew them to the Brazoria County airport, but there were no evacuation buses set up there, Paul Norton said.

”Then they flew us to Texas City,” he said. “They did a great job.”

Nigel Heinrich, one of the evacuees, said he endured the storm from his Gilchrist home on the peninsula.

”It’s all gone,” he said. “We lived on the bay side, and we walked to High Island. There are only about two or three houses left. Everything’s totally wiped out. High Island’s in pretty bad shape, too.”

Can you kindly post the link? Thanks!
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#13039 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:43 pm

KHOU reporter is stating that several portions of the Galveston seawall were "badly, badly" damaged by debris.

Footage shows several submerged/tilted boats in background...

http://www.khou.com/video/?nvid=178826&live=yes&noad=yes
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Re: ATL IKE: Tropical Storm - Discussion

#13040 Postby 3ABirdMan » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:53 pm

Here is a link to a blog authored by the owner of KOGT am radio out of Orange. He did a TREMENDOUS job keeping us up tp date during Rita by posting photos and articles on this web site.

http://www.kogt.com/Ike-Gary%20Blog.htm
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