Iran Nuclear Standoff

[cycloneye]

The big question is out there about what Israel may do.If they go and attack Iran,they would have to fly over Iraq airspace and we know that the U.S. has bases there.Would they seek clearance to fly over? Interesting dilemma I see with this.

They'd also have to fly over Jordanian airspace, which would pose more of a problem.

Yes,I forgot Jordan.

[cycloneye]

Iran will allow U.N inspectors into new plant

Sounds familiar like prewar in Iraq right?


(CNN) -- Tehran's new uranium enrichment plant will be operational soon, and "will blind the eyes of the enemies," Iran's semi-official news agency Fars reported Saturday, quoting a senior Iranian official.

Also Saturday, the head of Iran's atomic energy program said U.N. nuclear experts would be allowed to inspect the plant, according to a report from Iran-funded Press TV.

Ali Akbar Salehi, the atomic energy chief, said a date would be arranged for such an inspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency, but offered no other details.


http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast ... index.html

[brunota2003]

First off, if everything that they are doing is for power plants...here's my question: Where are the power plants? Where are the plans for them and the beginning of construction?

Secondly, "Tehran's new uranium enrichment plant will be operational soon, and "will blind the eyes of the enemies," Iran's semi-official news agency Fars reported Saturday, quoting a senior Iranian official."

What does he mean by blind the eyes of "the enemies"? The flash before the shockwave?

[Cryomaniac]

It is an odd quote if you're trying to claim that you're being peaceful.

[vbhoutex]

It is an odd quote if you're trying to claim that you're being peaceful.

That quote is definitely a veiled threat in my eyes. When I saw it, I was WTH? I think he is telling us that they are much further along than we think they are, inspections or not.

[Cryomaniac]

I think he is telling us that they are much further along than we think they are, inspections or not.

That would make sense.

[cycloneye]

Iran Tests Missiles

If they say the plants are for peaceful purposes,why they are doing these tests?





Iran said it successfully test fired two short-range missiles during drills Sunday by the elite Revolutionary Guard, a show of force days after the U.S. and its allies condemned Tehran over a newly revealed underground nuclear facility that was being constructed secretly.

English-language Press TV reported that the solid-fuel Fateh-110, Tondar-69 and Zelzal missiles were test fired, but did not give specifics on range or other details. Both are short-range, surface-to-surface missiles.

Gen. Hossein Salami, head of the Revolutionary Guard Air Force, told reporters Iran tested for the first time a multiple missile launcher. Press TV showed pictures of at least two missiles being fired simultaneously and said they were from the latest drill.

Salami said the missile tests and military drills were meant to show Iran's strong resolve to defend its national values. The Revolutionary Guard controls Iran's missile program.

Reuters reported state radio as also saying Sunday that Tehran would test-fire a missile Monday capable of hitting Israel and U.S. bases in the Gulf region.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,556120,00.html

[Cryomaniac]

I'm guessing they'd say that the missile tests are unconnected to the nuclear issue.

[cycloneye]

On monday,they will test long range missiles.In my book that is called provocation.

[Hurricaneman]

Iran is asking for it and by it I dont mean peace

[Cryomaniac]

Iran is asking for it and by it I dont mean peace

I'm not sure anyone wants to give them it though.

[cycloneye]

Iran tests long range missiles

These long-range missiles are capable of reaching Israel and the U.S. bases in the region.



TEHRAN - Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard has test-fired one of the longest-range missiles in Tehran's arsenal, state TV reported Monday. The missile is capable of striking Israel and U.S. Mideast bases and parts of Europe.

English-language Press TV said the Guard successfully tested the Shahab-3 missile, which is capable of carrying a warhead and has a range of up to 1,200 miles. It was the third round of tests meant to demonstrate the country's preparedness for an attack.

The maneuvers, along with last week's disclosure by Tehran that it is building a second uranium enrichment plant, add a sense of urgency to a crucial meeting in Geneva on Thursday between Iranian officials and representatives of six major powers, including the United States, China and Russia

State television also said Iran test-fired Shahab-1 and Shahab-2 missiles overnight, following tests of short-range missiles early Sunday. The Shahab-1 and Shahab-2 have ranges of about 185 miles and 435 miles respectively.

"Iran has successfully test-fired medium-range Shahab missiles with multiple warheads," Press TV said, adding the drill was aimed at "boosting the armed forces' deterrent capabilities."

Iran conducts war games or tests weapons to show its resolve to counter any attack by foes like Israel or the United States.

"Iran flexes muscles. ... The tests are likely to be seen as an act of defiance by Iran," daily Iran News said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33041226/ns ... tn_africa/

[Cryomaniac]

SAUDIS WILL LET ISRAEL BOMB IRAN NUCLEAR SITE

INTELLIGENCE chief Sir John Scarlett has been told that Saudi Arabia is ready to allow Israel to bomb Iran’s new nuclear site.

The head of MI6 discussed the issue in London with Mossad chief Meir Dagan and Saudi officials after British intelligence officers helped to uncover the plant, in the side of a mountain near the ancient city of Qom.

The site is seen as a major threat by Tel Aviv and Riyadh. Details of the talks emerged after John Bolton, America’s former UN ambassador, told a meeting of intelligence analysts that “Riyadh certainly approves” of Israel’s use of Saudi airspace.

Well, that's a green light if they're ever going to get one.

[Derek Ortt]

proves one thing

your enemy's enemy is ALWAYS your friend

Israel and Saudi Arabia being allies just proves that point

[brunota2003]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Then once we have defeated our objective, I can overtake him.

[JTD]

What I'd do is send private signals to Tel Aviv that the US would wholeheartedly support an Israeli military strike against the Iranians BUT at the same time because you KNOW that the Iranians will howl that it was a US attack is scream bloody murder in public at the UN over "Israeli aggression" and even fire a missile or two at the Israeli fighter jets as they cross Iraqi airspace but missiles intentionally designed to miss. That way the Iranians can't drag the US into anything that follows Israeli military action.

It's a high stakes gamble but it might take away any Iranian pretext to engage the US militarily over something that a soverign nation did on its own.

[brunota2003]

We need to give them two options.

Door #1:
We help them build civilian powerplants designed for civilian power uses only. In return, they destroy any other facilities and allow unlimited access, at any time, to the U.N. Inspectors. The U.N. inspectors could decide they want to check out the plant tomorrow, and they have to show them.

Door #2:
If they do not agree, airstrikes shall be called in within 60 days of them turning down the agreement.
Also, if they do agree but if, at any time, they built any other plants without U.N. approval or (even once) deny the inspectors a visit, that plant...and any other plants that may have been created (especially if created without approval)...will be shut down and immediately dismantled under the supervision of the U.N. (or by military means if necessary).

Enough playing around with them...they either have peaceful plants designed specifically for power purposes, or the ones they currently have will be blown off the map. They should be given those two options with 90 days to agree. Within those 90 days, it must be shown that all current plants are being dismantled and unlimited access during the dismantling by U.N. Inspectors.

[cycloneye]

We need to give them two options.

Door #1:
We help them build civilian powerplants designed for civilian power uses only. In return, they destroy any other facilities and allow unlimited access, at any time, to the U.N. Inspectors. The U.N. inspectors could decide they want to check out the plant tomorrow, and they have to show them.

Door #2:
If they do not agree, airstrikes shall be called in within 60 days of them turning down the agreement.
Also, if they do agree but if, at any time, they built any other plants without U.N. approval or (even once) deny the inspectors a visit, that plant...and any other plants that may have been created (especially if created without approval)...will be shut down and immediately dismantled under the supervision of the U.N. (or by military means if necessary).

Enough playing around with them...they either have peaceful plants designed specifically for power purposes, or the ones they currently have will be blown off the map. They should be given those two options with 90 days to agree. Within those 90 days, it must be shown that all current plants are being dismantled and unlimited access during the dismantling by U.N. Inspectors.

Those are two good options for them to comply or else.

[vbhoutex]

You sound a lot like me when Iran took US hostages many years ago. I like the way you think. People would learn a lot quicker under those circumstances.

[brunota2003]

:uarrow: You sound a lot like me when Iran took US hostages many years ago. I like the way you think. People would learn a lot quicker under those circumstances.

You are referring to the U.S. Embassy in Tehran back in '79 I think? And then in '80 the hostages got released? I think the dates are right (it's been 3 or so years since U.S. History and I wasn't even a thought back then, let alone a twinkle in my mother's eyes ) I am not exactly sure how I'd respond to that, but I am glad they were released safely.