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#1221 Postby southerngale » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:38 pm

So did the GFS and ECMWF start to agree somewhat on the cold that's coming down or the cold along with some sort of precip? And is the timeframe for their agreement around Christmas, or after? Also, is this *possible* event/agreement/whatever go for those of us in deep south Texas or north of here?

And yes, I realize that's it all subject to change, etc. I'm just asking about what they're showing currently. Thanks in advance.

Two snow events, one year apart, and my feet were frozen solid for hours... I thought my toes might snip off. lol I think it's time to buy some real winter boots of some sort, since apparently we now have an annual snow event, at the very least. :ggreen:
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#1222 Postby gofrogs » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:44 pm

Well the GFS who did not want to let a wintry situation play out decided it would turn around. Here's a link for fort worth just type in bauemont when you get to the page its numerical so you don't have to read it. http://wxweb.meteostar.com/sample/sampl ... ?text=KFTW
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1223 Postby iorange55 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:53 pm

Wow if the GFS 18 run was a person I'd marry it in vegas, and never leave it's side. That's as exciting run as I've seen in awhile.
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#1224 Postby jasons2k » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:54 pm

gofrogs wrote:http://wxweb.meteostar.com/sample/sample.shtml?text=KFTW


3F - 26F on the 29th? That's insane - that's 1989-ish cold.

IAH (Houston Intercontinental) shows a low of 16 and a high of 32F. :eek:

All I can say is that I'm glad that's the 336h time frame and subject to big changes. Sorry 'winter wishers' but that's just WAY too darn cold for me! That would be totally devastating for gardeners too.
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#1225 Postby srainhoutx » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:18 pm

Larry Cosgrove has some interesting thoughts tonight in the Houston Examiner...

The "Curse Of The Lingering Cloud Cover" still has some life in it for Houston, as the subtropical jet stream continues to roar north and east from the equatorial Pacific Ocean. Attached to a prominent (and semi-stationary) Kelvin wave near the International Dateline, this southern branch will likely aid in cyclogenesis on a frontal structure over the Gulf of Mexico on Wednesday. Note that the numerical models are a little heavier and close to the coast with the rain shield. So what starts out as drizzle in the raw east/northeast breeze may actually escalate to a moderate rain event ending Thursday around noon.

I still cannot be sure just how strong or close to the coast this low pressure center will be as it moves away from Houston. While none of the operational models see the disturbance as an important snow or ice threat, the 12z ECMWF did keep the intensifying storm within 100 miles of Cape Hatteras NC moving into the Atlantic Ocean below Nova Scotia. It is possible that parts of the Carolinas and even S VA could see a period of snow and sleet. Should the small cA vortex forecast to stall over New Brunswick, retrogress and undergo phasing, then the potential for a snowstorm and strong winds will increase dramatically for the Interstate 95 corridor. If anything, it appears likely that the system will draw cold air into Texas and the Deep South, and set up a lingering 500MB mean trough that helps to keep anyone living east of the Front Range for the remainder of December.

To put it bluntly, the forecast for the Christmas holiday weekend could prove quite troublesome, not just for Houston but for most of the lower 48 states. The formation of an Alaskan/Yukon blocking signature, combined with a reforming Greenland block, will tend to drive a formative Arctic vortex far to the south into the Great Plains. There is some variance among the numerical models on what will happen in the December 24 - 28 time frame, but the ongoing trend seems to favor a brief moderation in temperatures over the eastern half of the U.S. followed by a shot of brutal cold cAk values. The ECMWF solution for Christmas Day, however, has a storm taking shape over the Deep South with the colder air mass already entering Texas. If the European ensembles verify, the hammock week between Christmas Day and New Year's Day could be very stormy with two prominent intrusions of tundra air from far northern Canada. And with additional energy linking up to the polar westerlies over the Orient from a new Kelvin wave, the tendency for cold and increased precipitation will be favored in the longer term over a good deal of the lower 48 states.

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#1226 Postby wxgirl69 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:27 pm

Ntxw wrote:This is somewhat exciting, it's been awhile since i've seen this type of set up. This should be quite fun!



I am excited also.. But, I also know that we need a few more days of data to make sure everything will play out..
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#1227 Postby southerngale » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:36 pm

Btw, I've seen a lot of new members joining and posting recently, particularly quite a few new Texas posters. Welcome to all of you! :)
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1228 Postby TornadoAlleyMom » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:31 pm

Thank you, Southerngale, for the warm welcome! Any fan of the Cowboys is a friend of mine :D I work for them, so I don't have much choice! JK about the choice...have and will always love da Boys!!!

But I digress...I guess we'll know in a few days how likely it is that this winter mix will all play out?
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#1229 Postby gofrogs » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:51 pm

http://weather.msn.com/tenday.aspx?weal ... ast:tenday

I like this alot haha but what do i know iam 16
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#1230 Postby gboudx » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:17 pm

gofrogs wrote:http://weather.msn.com/tenday.aspx?wealocations=wc:USTX0474&q=Fort+Worth%2c+TX+forecast:tenday

I like this alot haha but what do i know iam 16


I like that too and I'm 38. :)

Wholly crap, am I really that old? :covreyes:

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#1231 Postby ntxweatherwatcher » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:24 pm

Snow on Christmas Eve!! Please Santa... I've been good! :froze:
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#1232 Postby ntxweatherwatcher » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:28 pm

Dan Henry on Fox 4 mentioned on the 6pm news that we may have cold weather next week, with possible precip. First I have heard of possible winter precip, besides wfaa. Interesting...
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#1233 Postby iorange55 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:31 pm

ntxweatherwatcher wrote:Dan Henry on Fox 4 mentioned on the 6pm news that we may have cold weather next week, with possible precip. First I have heard of possible winter precip, besides wfaa. Interesting...





I'm not getting excited yet, I'm still going to act like it's supposed to be sunny with a high of 70 on Christmas.
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#1234 Postby gofrogs » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:32 pm

Thats good it means its in the back of their heads and they at least recognize the potential but well see what the next model runs have to say.
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#1235 Postby Ntxw » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:04 pm

Time frame is starting to get closer and the models are slowly starting to agree with each other. Anything can still change but we're heading in the right direction :D
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#1236 Postby richtrav » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:10 pm

jasons wrote:
gofrogs wrote:http://wxweb.meteostar.com/sample/sample.shtml?text=KFTW


3F - 26F on the 29th? That's insane - that's 1989-ish cold.

IAH (Houston Intercontinental) shows a low of 16 and a high of 32F. :eek:

All I can say is that I'm glad that's the 336h time frame and subject to big changes. Sorry 'winter wishers' but that's just WAY too darn cold for me! That would be totally devastating for gardeners too.


Aww Jason you should know that site is just good for a yuk and little more. I mean look at how insane the numbers are: 3 in DFW, 7 in Waco (but somehow only 27 in Albuquerque), warming to 17 in Austin and SA, then miraculously moderating to 34 by Corpus. Can't say I've ever seen or even read about a freeze like that. 1982 would come the closest and even then the differences weren't nearly as egregious. The Corpus numbers are believable, the others need to be raised about 10-20 degrees
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#1237 Postby vbhoutex » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:25 pm

richtrav wrote:
jasons wrote:
gofrogs wrote:http://wxweb.meteostar.com/sample/sample.shtml?text=KFTW


3F - 26F on the 29th? That's insane - that's 1989-ish cold.

IAH (Houston Intercontinental) shows a low of 16 and a high of 32F. :eek:

All I can say is that I'm glad that's the 336h time frame and subject to big changes. Sorry 'winter wishers' but that's just WAY too darn cold for me! That would be totally devastating for gardeners too.


Aww Jason you should know that site is just good for a yuk and little more. I mean look at how insane the numbers are: 3 in DFW, 7 in Waco (but somehow only 27 in Albuquerque), warming to 17 in Austin and SA, then miraculously moderating to 34 by Corpus. Can't say I've ever seen or even read about a freeze like that. 1982 would come the closest and even then the differences weren't nearly as egregious. The Corpus numbers are believable, the others need to be raised about 10-20 degrees

I have no problem believing those numbers and the way they are distributed. It is definitely possible with a cold air plunge coming down the front range of the Rockies and beginning to slide Eastward as it gets into Texas. I'm not about to say that those numbers will come to pass with us this far out, but the trend for temps is down with all the guidance towards the end of the year. Up 10 degrees? Maybe. Up 20 degrees? I doubt it. There is way too much ultra cold in Canada and Alaska and the mechanisms are there to continue to break portions of that loose and send it south to us. I wouldn't be as confident as I am in what I am saying if I didn't see most of the mets I listen too and follow saying basically the same thing. Paraphrasing-"as we head towards the end of the year the temps will be getting colder and the weather stormier". That is a severely shortened version. JMHO
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#1238 Postby severe » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:45 pm

southerngale wrote:Btw, I've seen a lot of new members joining and posting recently, particularly quite a few new Texas posters. Welcome to all of you! :)

Thank you........and I'll forgive your minor flaw called being a Cowboy fan (which is sad), especially since you live closer to Houston. :(
Anyways, I enjoy the KHOU site and reading srain's posts along with all others, but it's in such a mess right now I naturally headed over here. Great site and a friendly staff you've got here.
To keep this on topic, David Paul on today's noon news said he hadn't seen such a large build up of bitterly cold air to our north this early in the season in many years.
Personally, I'm excited and convinced this very cold air will eventually come right at us. It's not 1983 or 1989 cold, not sure I'll ever experience that again, but it's definitely cold.
With our active sub-tropical jet pushing out a disturbance every two days it's only natural to think the two will come together to produce some wintry precipitation.
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#1239 Postby iorange55 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:46 pm

lol this is ridiculous. The new GFS is basically predicting the end of the world


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#1240 Postby Ntxw » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:49 pm

That's amazing though yet again I think the big storm is being pushed back some.
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