ATL: Ex-Tropical Storm GASTON - Discussion

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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#541 Postby ROCK » Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:35 pm

srainhoutx wrote:Perhaps one of the Pro Mets can chime in, but I'm seeing some suggestions of updrafts heading E into the Western Basin. Correct me if I wrong.


Steve, are you talking about the MJO becoming favorable here in the next few days?
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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#542 Postby TheBurn » Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:37 pm

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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#543 Postby Blown Away » Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:40 pm

cycloneye wrote:00z Best track
AL, 09, 2010090300, , BEST, 0, 137N, 402W, 25, 1009, TD
ftp://ftp.tpc.ncep.noaa.gov/atcf/tcweb/ ... 010.invest

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Itsy Bitsy Tini Wini Gaston! Not much of a man anymore but he is still there. :D
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#544 Postby Dean4Storms » Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:47 pm

Gaston just sucked in a good bit of dry air, I think once it moves a bit further west and the moisture rebuilds he'll get going again.
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#545 Postby fasterdisaster » Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:03 pm

Is the moisture behind Gaston something to watch or just ITCZ-related?
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#546 Postby gatorcane » Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:25 pm

Ugh! Knew I should have stayed with my first thoughts on this system where I was forecasting slow development, if any, would occur for this system. When I saw the nhc upgrade it yesterday morning I jumped on the development bandwagon. Now I go back to my original thoughts on this system. I do think we are looking at development down the road. I'm nearly certain given the model consensus. This could be one of those systems that bust through and makes a run at the conus down the road. The leewards no longer seem to have a heightened threat.
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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#547 Postby lonelymike » Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:26 pm

I wonder if Gaston falling apart has anything to do with following in Danielle and Earl's footsteps? I mean the cold water wake it encountered as those two sucked up a lot of TCHP. Just sayin
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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#548 Postby cycloneye » Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:27 pm

Interesting discussion about Ex Gaston by the San Juan NWS in tonight's update.

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php ... glossary=1

WITH REGARDS TO GASTON...NHC IS INDICATING A 20% CHANCE OF
BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE AGAIN IN THE NEXT 48 HRS AND A 43%
CHANCE OF ATTAINING TROPICAL STORM STATUS IN THE DAY 4-5 TIME
FRAME. GIVEN OUR CURRENT LIMITED SKILL IN INTENSITY FORECASTS
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PREDICT EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN. GLOBAL
MODELS STILL LIKE GASTON AND DEVELOP IT INTO A HURRICANE IN FIVE
DAYS. ONCE THIS SYSTEM GETS CLOSER TO THE LESSER ANTILLES IT
SHOULD ENCOUNTER A MORE FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR REGENERATION.
ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS FOR LARGER TROPICAL WAVE TO THE EAST TO
ABSORB GASTON AS IT CATCHES UP TO HIM HOWEVER THIS IS HIGHLY
SPECULATIVE. ANYWAY...EVEN IN THE CASE OF GASTON COMING BACK TO A
TROPICAL STORM ANY EFFECTS WOULD NOT BE FELT UNTIL AT LEAST TUE
AT THE EARLIEST AND NOT LIKELY UNTIL WED OF NEXT WEEK. SO ENJOY
THE LONG HOLIDAY WEEKEND AND MAKE SURE TO TUNE BACK ON MONDAY TO
SEE WHAT IS GOING WITH THE TROPICS.
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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#549 Postby Sanibel » Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:55 pm

Now that GFDL is on it and into the Caribbean I think it will form. Anything can happen on that track in this climatology.
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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#550 Postby Typhoon_Willie » Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:08 pm

Well only time will tell. First off Gaston has to regenerate itself and then we will see where it goes.
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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#551 Postby boca » Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:13 pm

I wonder if the thunderstorms along the ITCZ will move up into Gaston flow to regererate the storm.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/avn-l.jpg
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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#552 Postby Ptarmigan » Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:24 pm

Since Gaston weakened to a tropical wave, it may have a better chance of not recurving and heading into the Caribbean and possibly the Gulf once it re-develops.

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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#553 Postby TYNI » Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:27 pm

Ptarmigan wrote:Since Gaston weakened to a tropical wave, it may have a better chance of not recurving and heading into the Caribbean and possibly the Gulf once it re-develops.

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Good point Ptarmigan. Lack of organization may allow it to meander, avoiding normal steering effects.
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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#554 Postby Brent » Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:57 am

CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS LOCATED ABOUT 1100 MILES WEST OF THE CAPE
VERDE ISLANDS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE REMNANT LOW OF GASTON.
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS COULD BECOME A LITTLE MORE CONDUCIVE FOR
RE-DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LOW AS IT MOVES WESTWARD AT 5 TO 10 MPH
DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. THERE IS A LOW CHANCE...20
PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE AGAIN DURING
THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#555 Postby Typhoon_Willie » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:12 am

Guess we will have to wait and see what happens to Gaston. Once the dry air disperses Gaston may come back.
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#556 Postby aerology » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:25 am

I think Gaston fell victim to the same global mechanism as Bonnie, Colin, and Fiona, had the life sucked out of them by a +ion generator effect.
http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/wspac ... 1&showsc=1
Just as soon as this occurred, the process of increased global precipitation reversed back into a pattern of increasing pole to equator homopolar generator charge gradient. Tropical storm activity will be on hold until this time;
http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/wspac ... 1&showsc=1
Then we are in for a greater surge of global Tropical storm production, and some of the highest ACE values for the year.
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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#557 Postby ColinDelia » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:28 am

Still has considerable, symmetric vorticity.
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#558 Postby boca » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:35 am

aerology wrote:I think Gaston fell victim to the same global mechanism as Bonnie, Colin, and Fiona, had the life sucked out of them by a +ion generator effect.
http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/wspac ... 1&showsc=1
Just as soon as this occurred, the process of increased global precipitation reversed back into a pattern of increasing pole to equator homopolar generator charge gradient. Tropical storm activity will be on hold until this time;
http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/wspac ... 1&showsc=1
Then we are in for a greater surge of global Tropical storm production, and some of the highest ACE values for the year.


So your saying the tropics should pick up after the 21st of this month.
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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#559 Postby boca » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:43 am

I'm in the comeback camp because it looks like the moisture from the ITCZ will get entrained into the circulation of Gaston. Thunderstorms are poping around the center.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t3/flash-avn.html
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Re: ATL: Ex Tropical Depression GASTON - Discussion

#560 Postby Brent » Fri Sep 03, 2010 3:48 am

May be making a comeback:

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