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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7101 Postby NDG » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:33 am

USTropics wrote:In case no one has read dr. Carvers thoughts earlier this morning (he's filling in for Jeff masters blog):

According to the most recent forecast issued by NHC, Emily was forecast to be at 17.5N, 72.5W at 2AM EDT, which is a point 68 miles west-northwest of it's assigned location. This indicates that Emily is not curving northwards as expected. This makes me more skeptical of the computer model forecasts that pull Emily to the northwards sharply towards the southeast coast of Florida before recurving out to sea. All of the 00Z global models (NOGAPS, GFS, and CMC) are in rough agreement.

The forecast tracks provided by the suite of simpler models, the Beta and Advection Models and CLIPER, disagree. They have Emily taking a much more gradual turn to the north, thus moving northwest across Cuba. Given that these models have done a better job of predicting Emily's westwards track, I'm inclined to place more confidence in their predictions. However, the further west Emily goes, the chance that Emily makes landfall in Florida (due to a recurve) goes up. People with interests in Cuba and south Florida should keep an eye on this storm.


He makes a lot of sense.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7102 Postby artist » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:34 am

Blown Away wrote:12z TVCN W.

do you have a link for that one, please?
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#7103 Postby artist » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:34 am

000
URNT11 KNHC 041226
97779 12240 50173 69119 76200 12013 68//9 /5758
RMK AF305 1105A EMILY OB 09
LAST REPORT
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Models

#7104 Postby Blown Away » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:35 am

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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7105 Postby AHS2011 » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:35 am

Does a dvorak number of 3.5 mean it's a hurricane?
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7106 Postby Blown Away » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:36 am

artist wrote:
Blown Away wrote:12z TVCN W.

do you have a link for that one, please?


http://www.sfwmd.gov/portal/page/portal ... el%20plots
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#7107 Postby NDG » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:36 am

I guess recon keeps having problems, is going back to base after only two penetrations.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Models

#7108 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:36 am

12z Tropical Models.

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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7109 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:37 am

NDG wrote:
USTropics wrote:In case no one has read dr. Carvers thoughts earlier this morning (he's filling in for Jeff masters blog):

According to the most recent forecast issued by NHC, Emily was forecast to be at 17.5N, 72.5W at 2AM EDT, which is a point 68 miles west-northwest of it's assigned location. This indicates that Emily is not curving northwards as expected. This makes me more skeptical of the computer model forecasts that pull Emily to the northwards sharply towards the southeast coast of Florida before recurving out to sea. All of the 00Z global models (NOGAPS, GFS, and CMC) are in rough agreement.

The forecast tracks provided by the suite of simpler models, the Beta and Advection Models and CLIPER, disagree. They have Emily taking a much more gradual turn to the north, thus moving northwest across Cuba. Given that these models have done a better job of predicting Emily's westwards track, I'm inclined to place more confidence in their predictions. However, the further west Emily goes, the chance that Emily makes landfall in Florida (due to a recurve) goes up. People with interests in Cuba and south Florida should keep an eye on this storm.


He makes a lot of sense.



an incredible amount of sense. Been the underlying thinking of most even though they probably did not want to believe the typically most reliable models are off the deep end.. lol
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#7110 Postby hurricanefloyd5 » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:39 am

NDG wrote:I guess recon keeps having problems, is going back to base after only two penetrations.



Now I see that recon and Emily have something in common now they both have problems
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#7111 Postby USTropics » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:39 am

NDG wrote:I guess recon keeps having problems, is going back to base after only two penetrations.


Yea this is about the 4th flight mission that has had some sort of problem
In regards to investigating Emily. Not sure what is going on.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Models

#7112 Postby Bocadude85 » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:40 am



lol now the TCVN is west of the NHC track again.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Models

#7113 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:40 am

cycloneye wrote:12z Tropical Models.

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I find it amusing that everyone including myself has been saying the deeper more stacked the system is the more northerly it would track. but the deep Bam has been the most persistent on a deep system heading more west with a turn west end of for for almost 2 whole days..
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7114 Postby plasticup » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:41 am

"EMILY IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOTAL RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS
OF 6 TO 12 INCHES WITH ISOLATED AMOUNTS OF 20 INCHES POSSIBLE
OVER THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC AND HAITI"

Whoa. That's a lot of rain. Jeeze.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Models

#7115 Postby wzrgirl1 » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:41 am

Bocadude85 wrote:


lol now the TCVN is west of the NHC track again.


Yes by about a degree or so....very significant.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7116 Postby NDG » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:41 am

AHS2011 wrote:Does a dvorak number of 3.5 mean it's a hurricane?


No, 4.0 and above is when is a hurricane.
But I do not see that she is up to a 3.5, I still see 3.0
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Models

#7117 Postby Kory » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:44 am

Here's my take on it, the NHC probably won't keep shifting their track back to the west a little, then back to the east. They shifted it west slightly yesterday and now this morning its farther off the coast to the east. I think the NHC will wait for some uniformity in the models before they make any significant movements, if any is needed.


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Re: ATL: EMILY - Recon Discussion

#7118 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:45 am

cycloneye wrote:Hopefully,this mornings mission doesn't have problems.


Well,more problems it seems as plane is returning to St Croix.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Recon Discussion

#7119 Postby artist » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:49 am

cycloneye wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Hopefully,this mornings mission doesn't have problems.


Well,more problems it seems as plane is returning to St Croix.

do you know what time the next flight is in eastern time cycloneye? :ggreen:
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Models

#7120 Postby AHS2011 » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:50 am

I don't understand exactly why Emily is going to recurve out to sea. Can someone tell me why?
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