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Re: Texas Summer 2012

#521 Postby Portastorm » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:12 am

Unfortunately the concerns I shared yesterday appear to be coming to fruition. Assuming Isaac behaves as progged by the NHC, we here in south central Texas will be in for a lot of hot-and-dry later next week. :(
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#522 Postby Rgv20 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:28 am

:uarrow: This is the morning discussion from the NWS in Brownsville....Increasing Temps further?!? Forecast Highs for my area is already 105 for Wednesday and Thursday! :sun:

"LONG TERM /SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY/...MIDLEVEL TROUGH
MOVING THROUGH THE CENTRAL PLAINS WILL BE WEAKENING AND EJECTING
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PERIOD...WHILE WESTERN RIDGE CONTINUES TO
DOMINATE. FOR THE MOST PART...SUBSIDENCE WITH THE RIDGE WILL
CONTINUE TO HOLD DOWN THE SEABREEZE...WITH MINIMAL CHANCES FOR ANY
POP-UP SHOWERS SUNDAY AND MONDAY. TUESDAY...MODELS ARE SHOWING A
SURGE OF DRIER AIR FROM THE NORTH...ASSOCIATED WITH NORTHERLY FLOW
WRAPPING AROUND ISAAC. THIS WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF COMPLETELY
ENDING POP CHANCES AND DRIVING TEMPERATURES UPWARD A COUPLE MORE
DEGREES TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. MODELS ARE GETTING IN BETTER
AGREEMENT HERE...SO HAVE GONE AHEAD AND LOWERED POP CHANCES FOR
MIDWEEK AND PUSHED TEMPS UP A COUPLE DEGREES...WAITING ON THE
FINAL TRACKING FOR ISAAC BEFORE INCREASING TEMPS ANY FURTHER."
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#523 Postby Ntxw » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:13 am

Yeah recent models don't look as good. I still stand by the slim chance it gets caught underneath a high though! :cheesy:

Side note there's a shortwave coming through today and depending on strong it is maybe some of us can see some measurable rain. Most likely west of I-35 in both DFW and Austin.
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#524 Postby weatherdude1108 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:07 pm

:roll: I'm pulling for the high to keep Isaac on the path where it is needed. I'm seeing a pattern similar to almost a year ago as far as hot and dry because of a hurricane. :x

But, the high in Austin on Labor Day 2011 was 102 degrees. The high this Labor Day is only supposed to be a BRISK 98 degrees! :wink:

August 2011 Camp Mabry
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/climate/getclimate.php?wfo=ewx

Sept. 2011 Camp Mabry
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/climate/getclimate.php?wfo=ewx
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#525 Postby Ntxw » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:23 am

Well the PNA is very positive now and the hot forecast by some models (at least northern half of state) looks less likely. On and off bouts of rain with shortwaves coming through every few days and Isaac will likely bring northeasterly flow as mentioned by FW. This will give us lots of dry air so seasonal (comfortable) high temps low to mid 90s and lows below average in the 60s next week! This scenario a year ago would've brought fires but thanks to the rains not the case this year.

Unfortunately those in the southern half of the state continues to bake.
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Re: Texas Summer 2012

#526 Postby somethingfunny » Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:54 am

Just when you thought there was tight model consensus....the 8/26 00z GFS....


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#527 Postby Rgv20 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:43 am

:uarrow: 0zGFS is not alone..tho the CMC and NOGAPS are not reliable tropical models.

0zCMC +84hrs
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0zNOGAPS +84hrs
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However the reliable ECMWF still calls for a Western Florida Panhandle Landfall.

0zECMWF 72+hrs
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Re: Texas Summer 2012

#528 Postby aggiecutter » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:33 am

12Z GFS send the remnants of Isaac right through the Texarkana area, with copious amounts of rain.
http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/NCOMAGWEB/appc ... mageSize=M
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#529 Postby ndale » Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:52 pm

Wherever Isaac ends up it looks like central Tx will be on the west side of it and as Portastorm pointed out that just leaves us hot and dry, but I did have a morning shower that left us with 3/10 of an inch of rain and I am grateful for any amounts right now.

Now back to the tropical threads to follow Isaac like everyone else.
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#530 Postby Rgv20 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:52 am

Special Weather Statement

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT...CORRECTED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BROWNSVILLE TX
939 AM CDT MON AUG 27 2012

TXZ251-253>257-271700-
KENEDY-HIDALGO-INLAND WILLACY-INLAND CAMERON-COASTAL WILLACY-
COASTAL CAMERON-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...SARITA...MCALLEN...EDINBURG...PHARR...
MISSION...WESLACO...RAYMONDVILLE...BROWNSVILLE...HARLINGEN...
PORT MANSFIELD...PORT ISABEL...SOUTH PADRE ISLAND...
LAGUNA HEIGHTS...LAGUNA VISTA
939 AM CDT MON AUG 27 2012

...MINOR IMPACTS FROM TROPICAL STORM ISAAC EXPECTED...

TROPICAL STORM ISAAC CONTINUES TO MOVE TOWARDS THE SOUTHEAST
LOUISIANA COASTLINE. CURRENT PROJECTIONS TAKE THIS STORM TO NEW
ORLEANS LATE TUESDAY NIGHT OR VERY EARLY WEDNESDAY MORNING AS A
CATEGORY ONE HURRICANE.

THE EXPECTED TRACK AND INTENSITY OF ISAAC WILL HAVE AN IMMEDIATE
IMPACT ON THE LOWER TEXAS COASTAL WATERS AND AREA BEACHES STARTING
TODAY AND CONTINUING THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT. SWELLS GENERATED BY
THE STORM WILL BE DIRECTED WEST TOWARDS THE TEXAS COAST. THE FIRST
IMPACT TO BE FELT WILL BE THE INCREASED RISK OF RIP CURRENTS. AS
THE LONG PERIOD SWELLS APPROACH OUR COAST TODAY...A HIGH RISK OF
RIP CURRENTS IS LIKELY. PLEASE REFER TO THE LATEST RIP CURRENT
STATEMENT FOR MORE INFORMATION.

TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THE IMPACTS INCREASE AS
THE LARGE SWELL CONTINUES TO BE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE BEACHES OF
SOUTH PADRE ISLAND AND BOCA CHICA BEACH. MINOR COASTAL FLOODING IS
POSSIBLE AS BREAKING WAVES RUN UP TO THE BASE OF THE SAND DUNES.
THIS WILL CAUSE MINOR INCONVENIENCES FOR DRIVING ALONG THE BEACH...
AS WELL AS TO BEACH GOERS AND ANYONE FISHING ALONG THE SOUTH PADRE
ISLAND JETTY. ASTRONOMICAL HIGH TIDE IS EXPECTED AROUND 4 AM CDT
BOTH TUESDAY AND WEDNEDAY MORNING WITH PROJECTED TIDES RUNNING
AROUND 1.7 FEET ABOVE NORMAL. THIS WILL PRODUCE THE WORST FLOODING
POTENTIAL LATE TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY.

FINALLY...COMMERCIAL AND RECREATIONAL MARINERS CAN EXPECT OPEN
OCEAN SWELLS TO INCREASE TO BETWEEN 5 AND 7 FEET TUESDAY NIGHT
THROUGH WEDNESDAY OVER THE LOWER TEXAS COASTAL WATERS WITH SWELL
PERIODS INCREASING TO 12 TO 14 SECONDS AT THAT TIME. PLEASE REFER
TO THE MARINE WEATHER STATEMENT FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO OR YOUR LOCAL MEDIA FOR FURTHER
UPDATES.

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#531 Postby Rgv20 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:55 am

NWS Brownsville morning discussion...Hopefully we can enter September with some rain. (Climatology speaking September is the rainiest month for my area :D )

"FRIDAY LOOKS LIKE A TRANSITION DAY AS ISSAC FINALLY MOVES OUT OF
THE PICTURE AND SOUTH WINDS RETURN. TEMPERATURES REMAIN HOT BUT
LOOKS TO DROP A FEW DEGREES AS THE DEW POINTS INCREASE. DEEPER
MOISTURE MOVES INTO THE REGION ON THE HEELS OF A TROPICAL WAVE
SATURDAY WITH THE CHANCE OF RAIN ENTERING THE FORECAST SATURDAY
AND SUNDAY ALBEIT LOW. TEMPERATURES TO RETURN TO SEASONAL VALUES
WITH NEAR 90 AT THE COAST TO AROUND 100 INLAND WEST."
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#532 Postby weatherdude1108 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:43 pm

Been observing convection scooting south most of the day. Also observing the proverbial black hole around Austin as the convection evaporates from the north, moving around to the west and east. Was hoping to get a nice soaking on the vegetation around here before the blast furnace side of Isaac sets in. :cry:
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#533 Postby Portastorm » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:47 pm

weatherdude1108 wrote:Been observing convection scooting south most of the day. Also observing the proverbial black hole around Austin as the convection evaporates from the north, moving around to the west and east. Was hoping to get a nice soaking on the vegetation around here before the blast furnace side of Isaac sets in. :cry:


Sad isn't it?! I also saw those cumulonimbus way to our north and west ... while we roast. And Isaac will just make it worse later this week. Sometimes though a hurricane this time of year can help usher in a pattern change in the CONUS. Maybe Isaac can prompt a faster evolution of the westerlies taking command ... thus more fronts ... cooler temps, precip chances, etc.

Hey, a fella can dream can't he?! :cheesy:
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#534 Postby weatherdude1108 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:54 pm

Portastorm wrote:
weatherdude1108 wrote:Been observing convection scooting south most of the day. Also observing the proverbial black hole around Austin as the convection evaporates from the north, moving around to the west and east. Was hoping to get a nice soaking on the vegetation around here before the blast furnace side of Isaac sets in. :cry:


Sad isn't it?! I also saw those cumulonimbus way to our north and west ... while we roast. And Isaac will just make it worse later this week. Sometimes though a hurricane this time of year can help usher in a pattern change in the CONUS. Maybe Isaac can prompt a faster evolution of the westerlies taking command ... thus more fronts ... cooler temps, precip chances, etc.

Hey, a fella can dream can't he?! :cheesy:


That's encouraging! Cool.

Yep! I've been doing a lot of dreaming of wet and green places! :ggreen:
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#535 Postby Ntxw » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:00 pm

Not to rain on the parade, but unfortunately the forecast for the PNA is for it to go negative. If we are on the bad side of Isaac the two tandems could bring heat (yuck) come first week of Sept. Euro doesn't look pretty. At least our days are getting shorter :cheesy:
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#536 Postby Rgv20 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:35 pm

Look at the forecast of above normal temperature from the CFSv2 starting September.....Looks like you are right Ntxw, more warm weather in store for most of Texas.

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Re: Texas Summer 2012

#537 Postby South Texas Storms » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:45 pm

Ntxw, what are your latest thoughts on the Nino event and our long range forecast? Do you still expect a moderate Nino this winter (and lots of cut-off lows bringing us cooler and wet weather)?
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Re: Texas Summer 2012

#538 Postby Ntxw » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:02 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:Ntxw, what are your latest thoughts on the Nino event and our long range forecast? Do you still expect a moderate Nino this winter (and lots of cut-off lows bringing us cooler and wet weather)?


No change, I do think a low end moderate Nino is very possible. At the very least a strong-weak Nino. A moderate Nino will probably give less in the way of cold air but more storms and prolonged cool while a weak nino a bit less storms and slightly colder on the cool. SOI has been puzzling me but at least the Nino has not been reflecting it which shows it has pretty good footing right now.

How fast the changes comes will depend on how quickly the 3.4 anomalies rise the coming weeks. Baja continues to warm so look there for cut off lows come fall. Euro seasonal forecast for August paints a wet picture for the state during the fall/early winter especially central and southern Texas.
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Re: Texas Summer 2012

#539 Postby South Texas Storms » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:08 pm

Ntxw wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote:Ntxw, what are your latest thoughts on the Nino event and our long range forecast? Do you still expect a moderate Nino this winter (and lots of cut-off lows bringing us cooler and wet weather)?


No change, I do think a low end moderate Nino is very possible. At the very least a strong-weak Nino. A moderate Nino will probably give less in the way of cold air but more storms and prolonged cool while a weak nino a bit less storms and slightly colder on the cool. SOI has been puzzling me but at least the Nino has not been reflecting it which shows it has pretty good footing right now.

How fast the changes comes will depend on how quickly the 3.4 anomalies rise the coming weeks. Baja continues to warm so look there for cut off lows come fall. Euro seasonal forecast for August paints a wet picture for the state during the fall/early winter especially central and southern Texas.


Thanks Ntxw, I appreciate your ENSO analysis! I'm thinking we will have at least one decent chance at winter precip. across central Texas this winter. I can't wait for the cut-off low parade to begin!

The SOI has been puzzling to me too lately. Where does the MJO need to be for it to raise SST anomalies in region 3.4? Does it need to be near the dateline?
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Re: Texas Summer 2012

#540 Postby Ntxw » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:28 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:Where does the MJO need to be for it to raise SST anomalies in region 3.4? Does it need to be near the dateline?


Yeah dateline to Hawaii is best I think. Phases 7/8/1 (also the fun phases in winter :P)

I've been trying to get some data on the 09 Nino going through age old threads. Something new I've picked up is that major sub-surface warming along with MJO occured in 09 after northeast Australia waters warmed up dramatically. I believe this is a possible location in the birth of big kelvin wave warming events at least for that year. It would make sense since central based Ninos receive much of their boosts from westerlies and during winter waters in southern hemisphere is warmer. Only one sample but something to look into.

Example of the Sept-Oct warming during that year underneath.

http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/11/ ... er-el.html

Sorry mods if this went beyond the realms of "Texas Summer" topic :P
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