Early June Development in WCarib or BOC? (Is Invest 91L)

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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#41 Postby Frank2 » Mon May 13, 2013 7:33 am

Isn't the GFS based on climatology? If so, then it makes sense for it to want to show a system down there during May, because May has the first small maximum in the Western Caribbean, but in reality the southwestern Caribbean has tropical storm potential almost year-round...
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#42 Postby wxman57 » Mon May 13, 2013 8:49 am

Frank2 wrote:Isn't the GFS based on climatology? If so, then it makes sense for it to want to show a system down there during May, because May has the first small maximum in the Western Caribbean, but in reality the southwestern Caribbean has tropical storm potential almost year-round...


I wouldn't say that the GFS is based upon climatology. It does begin seeing convection in the southern Caribbean every year around this time and it tends to indicate development of a number of pre-season lows/storms down there.
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#43 Postby wxman57 » Mon May 13, 2013 2:41 pm

Latest GFS runs are abandoning the idea of a TC in the western Caribbean next week. The 12Z briefly has a weak low there (along a cold front boundary) but that's about it.
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#44 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Mon May 13, 2013 2:56 pm

Yeah, at least for the time being the GFS isn't as optimistic. However, it does continue to show much above-average precipitation in the Caribbean in late May, so it warrants a mention.

The GFS's tendency to move the MJO across the globe too quickly may be catching up to it right now.
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#45 Postby cycloneye » Mon May 13, 2013 4:31 pm

Wet Caribbean on the last week of May if the forecast pans out but no TC so far.

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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#46 Postby Hurricaneman » Mon May 13, 2013 6:18 pm

Look for between June 2-10 for development IMO based on the MJO and climatology east of Central America
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#47 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue May 14, 2013 2:09 am

Luis, do you have a link to the other Tropical Tidbit's models besides the basic ones from this link? http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/

That link doesn't have the CFS maps on it.
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#48 Postby cycloneye » Tue May 14, 2013 5:16 am

South Texas Storms wrote:Luis, do you have a link to the other Tropical Tidbit's models besides the basic ones from this link? http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/

That link doesn't have the CFS maps on it.


I asked him that question and he said no CFS yet for public but soon will add those to the site.
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#49 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Tue May 14, 2013 7:35 pm

"...The Week-2 outlook is based primarily on dynamical model forecasts since uncertainty is high regarding the evolution of the MJO. Models are in reasonably good agreement for above (below) average rainfall across Central America/southwest Caribbean Sea (equatorial western Indian Ocean). Conditions for the formation of an early season tropical cyclone could become favorable by the beginning of June across the southwest Caribbean Sea."

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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#50 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue May 14, 2013 9:32 pm

cycloneye wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote:Luis, do you have a link to the other Tropical Tidbit's models besides the basic ones from this link? http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/

That link doesn't have the CFS maps on it.


I asked him that question and he said no CFS yet for public but soon will add those to the site.



Thank you sir. I am looking forward to it.
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#51 Postby ROCK » Tue May 14, 2013 11:19 pm

starting to heat up in the carib and GOM...only mid-May

http://wxmaps.org/pix/hurpot.html#ATL

though shear is typical for mid May....not quite right out there...

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/w ... oom=&time=
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#52 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 16, 2013 1:56 pm

Well folks,this is the GEM aka CMC that is showing development in the Western Caribbean by Memorial day weekend but there is no consensus so far as the main models GFS,ECMWF don't have this. Let's see what occurs in the next few days to see if the models come to agreement or not.

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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#53 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu May 16, 2013 2:14 pm

The 12zGFS is starting to show a weak low at day16, I would like it to show it in shorter range before I get excited
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#54 Postby floridasun78 » Thu May 16, 2013 3:49 pm

issue this time year alot model have ghost storms
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#55 Postby WeatherGuesser » Thu May 16, 2013 4:01 pm

floridasun78 wrote:issue this time year alot model have ghost storms


I try to read your posts, but I can never figure them out.
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#56 Postby floridasun78 » Thu May 16, 2013 4:51 pm

WeatherGuesser wrote:
floridasun78 wrote:issue this time year alot model have ghost storms


I try to read your posts, but I can never figure them out.

what i saying model like show ghost storms this time a year
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#57 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu May 16, 2013 8:48 pm

floridasun78 wrote:
WeatherGuesser wrote:
floridasun78 wrote:issue this time year alot model have ghost storms


I try to read your posts, but I can never figure them out.

what i saying model like show ghost storms this time a year


Translation: The models like to show ghost storms this time of year
and I will tend to agree, sometimes even multiple phony storms will be seen by the models but most times these phony storms in the models are caused by convective feedback especially what is seen in the current CMC 240hr depiction or the CMC in general
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#58 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu May 16, 2013 9:33 pm

The 18zGFS develops a low pressure east of Belieze from entraining a pacific low at 336 hrs but its still in fantasy range, if its not within 192hrs its really not worth looking at
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#59 Postby JonathanBelles » Fri May 17, 2013 1:42 pm

Looks like the tropical wave just east of the islands may be in the right place at the right time toward mid-late week for development.
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Re: Late May/Early June Development in Western Caribbean?

#60 Postby cycloneye » Fri May 17, 2013 1:57 pm

IF TC development doesn't occur,the sure thing is it will be very rainy in most of the Caribbean starting on the 20th and lasting thru Memorial day weekend.

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