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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#441 Postby GCANE » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:59 am

jlauderdal wrote:
GCANE wrote:Sorry for being off topic here, but I was just scanning RAP and saw a very nasty set up for OK this afternoon.

Off-scale helicity and CAPE over 4000.
CAPE over 4000 is always worth posting about regardless of the topic, good work


Good morning Jlauderal, much thanks :)
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#442 Postby NDG » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:01 am

Looking at IR sat loop I can still see the broad circulation mostly to the west of the deep convection but I also see a nice inflow into the Mid Level Circulation. Question is if a new LLC will form closer to the MLC.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#443 Postby NDG » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:04 am

jlauderdal wrote:
NDG wrote:IMO, we have at least a TD.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php? ... _label=CDT


you need a closed circulation at the surface, not just wind


There is some evidence that it has a closed circulation, broad one at the most. Your only argument should be that it needs more of a defined LLC.
Do you have any evidence that it does not have a closed circulation?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#444 Postby tgenius » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:21 am

Going back to the statement I made yesterday it sure appears like SFL will miss the majority of the weather associated with this compared to the doom and gloom that was forecasted for this week. :)
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#445 Postby GCANE » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:33 am

200mb PV anomaly, which has been keeping a lid on rapid parcel ascent, has dropped significantly in the last 6 hrs.

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/w ... oom=&time=

No doubt, this accounted for the development of the hot tower.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#446 Postby GCANE » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:35 am

Shear is really starting to look good.

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/a ... wg8sht.GIF
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#447 Postby NDG » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:43 am

tgenius wrote:Going back to the statement I made yesterday it sure appears like SFL will miss the majority of the weather associated with this compared to the doom and gloom that was forecasted for this week. :)


Except the Keys.
The problem was that the GFS a few days ago wanted to take the energy NE towards S FL too fast, instead the disturbance has been tracking more northward and slower to affect more central and northern FL.
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#448 Postby Dean4Storms » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:46 am

Don't know what "SHIP" actually is in this report, but it is reporting 40kt Winds near 25N/86W...

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/radial_search. ... t=A&time=3
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#449 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:47 am

Up to 50%


TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM EDT WED JUN 5 2013

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

A BROAD AREA OF LOW PRESSURE OVER THE CENTRAL GULF OF MEXICO IS
PRODUCING A LARGE AREA OF DISORGANIZED THUNDERSTORMS AND STRONG
GUSTY WINDS OVER THE SOUTHEASTERN GULF OF MEXICO. ALTHOUGH THE
THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOW HAS INCREASED
OVERNIGHT...THE CIRCULATION REMAINS POORLY-DEFINED. ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS COULD BECOME A LITTLE MORE CONDUCIVE FOR DEVELOPMENT
DURING THE NEXT DAY OR SO...AND A TROPICAL DEPRESSION OR STORM
COULD FORM BEFORE THE SYSTEM MOVES NORTHEASTWARD OVER NORTHERN
FLORIDA LATE THURSDAY OR THURSDAY NIGHT. THIS SYSTEM HAS A MEDIUM
CHANCE...50 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL CYCLONE
DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. AN AIR FORCE RESERVE RECONNAISSANCE
AIRCRAFT IS SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THIS DISTURBANCE THIS
AFTERNOON...IF NECESSARY. REGARDLESS OF DEVELOPMENT...LOCALLY
HEAVY RAINS AND GUSTY WINDS ARE LIKELY OVER PORTIONS OF CENTRAL AND
WESTERN CUBA...THE FLORIDA KEYS...AND THE FLORIDA PENINSULA DURING
THE COUPLE OF DAYS. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS SYSTEM CAN BE
FOUND IN HIGH SEAS FORECASTS ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER
SERVICE...AND IN PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER
SERVICE OFFICE OR NATIONAL METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

&&

HIGH SEAS FORECASTS ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CAN BE
FOUND UNDER AWIPS HEADER NFDHSFAT1 AND WMO HEADER FZNT01 KWBC.

$$
FORECASTER BROWN

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#450 Postby Dean4Storms » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:50 am

If this is accurate we have a Tropical Depression......

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/product ... 1306050600
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#451 Postby NDG » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:58 am

First visible this morning.

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#452 Postby NDG » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:18 am

Buoy 42003 has now being reporting TD force winds for at least 5 hrs straight now, close to 10 foot waves and a pressure of 4 mb lower than 24 hrs ago. All the recon has to find is a defined LLC for 91L to get upgraded to at least our first TD.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#453 Postby tolakram » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:20 am

Raw visible from the FTP site.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#454 Postby northjaxpro » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:20 am

NDG wrote:
tgenius wrote:Going back to the statement I made yesterday it sure appears like SFL will miss the majority of the weather associated with this compared to the doom and gloom that was forecasted for this week. :)


Except the Keys.
The problem was that the GFS a few days ago wanted to take the energy NE towards S FL too fast, instead the disturbance has been tracking more northward and slower to affect more central and northern FL.


Good morning NDG. Yes, this is a trend I noticed from early yesterday too and it does look more likely now and that area from I-4 corridor and points northward will see some significant rain and possible severe weather from this system. Certainly will be monitoring closely for sure.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#455 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:25 am

12z Best Track

AL, 91, 2013060512, , BEST, 0, 248N, 892W, 30, 1007, DB

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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#456 Postby GCANE » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:26 am

weatherwindow wrote:
GCANE wrote:Nice size hot tower beginning to fire off.

Looks like this could be a long duration one.

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/htdocs_dyn_a ... xico.0.jpg

Good morning, G...hopefully it will persist long enough to start warming the column and give a boost to some anticyclonic assist aloft


Good morning WeatherWindow
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#457 Postby adam0983 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:34 am

I think we will have a Tropical Depression during the 11am update this morning.
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#458 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:34 am

Quick question,

does this line (especially the term "cyclone") mean that they are already expecting 91L to be a numbered system by Thursday?

B. AFXXX 0201A CYCLONE
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#459 Postby hurricanefloyd5 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:37 am

Dean4Storms wrote:If this is accurate we have a Tropical Depression......

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/product ... 1306050600

Think recon we'll find that we have a tropical depression or possibly tropical storm Andrea today. how will it affect my getaway this weekend. I am going on a small trip this weekend down by the airport with some friends. I will be cut off from all communication for the most part
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L

#460 Postby OuterBanker » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:39 am

Very interesting. Latest Euro (6 5 00z) run shows 50 to 60 kt winds along the outer banks in 72. Overdone I'm sure, but it would be interesting to see. Local forecasters predicting rain, but so far no mention of any winds. So far local mets are saying a rainmaker and that's it. A rather rude awakening if the winds do show up.
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