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Re: Deep South Winterwx Discussion

#4861 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:40 pm

BigB0882 wrote:
nautical wheeler wrote:Did the GFS move further north with the snow or am I misreading that?


It does kind of look like that but you would think that would result in higher QPFs closer to the coast. I think it is just seeing what little QPF they have as falling as ALL snow.


Reason it seems so low is because that run of the GFS believes most of it occurs as sleet and freezing rain (remember wxcaster uses Kuchera method which tends to take out sleet and frz rain noise).
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#4862 Postby HurriGuy » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:41 pm

Really would not stress over that snow total map. No way it will be dead on.
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#4863 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:42 pm

BigB0882 wrote:Yeah, those maps are dependent upon SO many things. 1) Is the model dead on with QPF? 2) Is the model dead on (and I mean EXACTLY) with temp profiles? GFS shows 850 temps being at 1C during a good portion of our QPF. One little degree lower and it is all snow. There is no way any model can predict temps within 1 degree even the morning of. So those maps could be way off either way. No one could get measurable snow or everyone and people not included could get 2 or 3 times as much as predicted. I would just like to see a really good snow shower, even if it isn't long lived and doesn't accumulate.


The soundings tell the story. The latest GFS and NAM have a significant warm nose that is sizeable. If it was a degree or two off a loft is still not enough, it would have to be a good chunk off.
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Re: Deep South Winterwx Discussion

#4864 Postby Jag95 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:44 pm

Not that it would have any effect here, but a question I always wanted to ask. Do the models take into account any wet-bulbing that might happen? I'm thinking they probably do, but not sure.
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#4865 Postby SunnyThoughts » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:46 pm

Personally I would love to see an inch or two of snow on the ground, but I'll take a few flurries if that's all we end up with. I can however, live WITHOUT any accumulating ice on the trees or roads. Good luck everybody..hope we all get to see a little wintery precip...and have 0 problems associated with it. :)
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#4866 Postby HurriGuy » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:48 pm

00z NAM should be up and running soon
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#4867 Postby HurriGuy » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:03 pm

I am already disagreeing with the NAM. Its bringing in the moisture too fast IMO.
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Re: Deep South Winterwx Discussion

#4868 Postby thatwhichisnt » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:06 pm

Graphics?
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#4869 Postby Janie2006 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:09 pm

There are a lot of "little" details within the event itself that can make a big difference, so I wouldn't place all of my eggs in the GFS snowfall basket. We can hazard a guess about who gets the most snowfall, but nobody is going to try to pinpoint a location, unless they have a brave heart and an appetite for crow! That being said, I can't ignore the warm air layer aloft, so my primary concern remains the ice potential between the coast and US Hwy 84. No reason to disagree with KMOB here....the ice accumulations are reasonable.
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#4870 Postby Jag95 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:10 pm

Easy to see where the front and leading edge of colder air is. Just look for the barbs with the 15-25 mph gusts. Just north of Houston to McComb, MS to Alexander City, AL.

http://weather.rap.ucar.edu/surface/dis ... duration=0
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Re: Deep South Winterwx Discussion

#4871 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:12 pm

00z NAM.

9 hours.

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12 hours.

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18 hours.

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24 hours.

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#4872 Postby HurriGuy » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:16 pm

The NAM in just 9 hours has central Louisiana getting drenched!! Bringing in moisture too quickly.
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#4873 Postby BigB0882 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:20 pm

It is very fast but isn't the GFS just as fast?
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#4874 Postby BigB0882 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:21 pm

Does anyone know how to translate those images of the NAM to QPF? Just rough estimates if possible.
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#4875 Postby HurriGuy » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:23 pm

Comparing 18Z NAM to whats coming in, it has it coming in even faster. We'll see what GFS 00z has in store.
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#4876 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:26 pm

BigB0882 wrote:Does anyone know how to translate those images of the NAM to QPF? Just rough estimates if possible.


I think this graphic is better.

12 hours.

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18 hours.

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Re: Deep South Winterwx Discussion

#4877 Postby Steve » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:26 pm

I'm pretty excited about tomorrow. I plan on going to work in the morning, as I don't have to cross any bridges or drive on any overpasses to get to work. Unless it's either insane out or about to be, ima go in for a couple of hours. For everyone who has to get out tomorrow, be careful on the roads. If you have little or no experience driving in any manner of frozen weather, the best advice is to drive 10-15 mph slower than you otherwise would, stay as far back as possible from any traffic in front of you (since a collision into someone's rear end will almost always be your fault) and watch out for other drivers losing control. That means constant surveying of all potential traffic: in front of you, behind you and to both sides, including traffic moving toward you perpendicularly.

As far as effects on the Southshore, I think there are a few different ways things could go. The question marks are 1) when does the supportable cold arrive, how cold is it, and what is the vertical profile of the cold airmass, 2) when does the overriding moisture arrive, 3) how long does the precipitation event(s) last, 4) what type of wintry event or combination-wintry event do we see.

I could be 100% wrong here (reference to my earlier post about how impossible ENE moving winter gulf lows are to forecast). But what I think happens is a transition overnight to much colder weather. I think we all recognize that considering the front moved through earlier. NWS and some of the models conflict on when we reach supportable cold. Last check of NOAA had it getting close to freezing by morning then climbing a couple of degrees before falling back to freezing by about 11. So if it is 11, do we start with some rain/freezing rain or has that already started. Maybe some sleet mixes in before becoming the dominant precipitation type for the afternoon. With the NAM being faster to pull the energy up, that could go for at least several hours before lightening up or possibly transitioning to snow. you would think most everything would be over before or not much past dawn on Wednesday. One thing that might bode well for points north of the snow/ice line, is that some of the 18z models, in addition (or in conjunction with) to the so-called baja low, bring in some type of upper feature-disturbance out the southern Rockies enhancing the lift and precip as the snow/ice line stretches out. So that could be an additional enhancing feature.

Gun to the head guess would be freezing rain and sleet in the morning into the mid afternoon with a transition to mostly sleet. I could see us getting .35". Maybe we see a 1/4-1/2" snow or snow/sleet event after that. Reality will end up being anywhere between a super cold drizzle and a historic snow and ice storm. I side more with downplaying what we will see, but even in my scenario, the city is crippled at least until Wednesday afternoon. Anything worse, who knows. One thing I am pretty sure of, is many of our fellow southerners will see snow like they have never seen before.

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Re: Deep South Winterwx Discussion

#4878 Postby HurriGuy » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:29 pm

NAM went up in total precip.
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Re: Deep South Winterwx Discussion

#4879 Postby HurriGuy » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:30 pm

This is previous NAM run
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#4880 Postby Janie2006 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:32 pm

Hmmmmm. Closing in on an inch at my location. Really good for snow, really bad for ice.
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