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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#8581 Postby Portastorm » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:28 pm

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#8582 Postby TrekkerCC » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:12 pm

TheProfessor wrote:So if the el Nino starts early summer could it extend the severe weather season here? June is a dangerous month for hail. (Only when we get storms)


Okay, it is not winter, but what I remember from one summer el nino was that we would have occasional hybrid-tropicish (cutoff) upper level lows dumping a lot of rain on us. One weekend event (don't remember exactly when) we had like 4.00" over an entire day. It was crazy. El Ninos tend to promote upper level patterns that prevents development of the dreaded death "heat" ridge over the southern U.S. and bring us much temperature relief (80s and 90s instead of 100s) during the summer.
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#8583 Postby Texas Snowman » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:15 pm

"@BigJoeBastardi: ECWMF starts southern stream next week. Arctic wave Tuesday,beware phasing with weekend system.Storms, rumors of storms pattern coming back."
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#8584 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:23 pm

Texas Snowman wrote:"@BigJoeBastardi: ECWMF starts southern stream next week. Arctic wave Tuesday,beware phasing with weekend system.Storms, rumors of storms pattern coming back."



Saw that :)
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#8585 Postby texas1836 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:39 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:
Texas Snowman wrote:"@BigJoeBastardi: ECWMF starts southern stream next week. Arctic wave Tuesday,beware phasing with weekend system.Storms, rumors of storms pattern coming back."



Saw that :)

Like that!
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#8586 Postby South Texas Storms » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:50 pm

The storms went all around me here in College Station. Oh well. Nice to see the towering cumulus clouds again. I'm more optimistic for next week.
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#8587 Postby TheProfessor » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:57 pm

I know Accuweather is not very accurate, especially with temperatures. But it had severe thunderstorms for next Friday and it had us receiving over an inch of rain next Friday night.
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#8588 Postby BigB0882 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:54 pm

TheProfessor wrote:I know Accuweather is not very accurate, especially with temperatures. But it had severe thunderstorms for next Friday and it had us receiving over an inch of rain next Friday night.

I think you put it nicely. Lol. They go almost exclusively by climatogy if I remember correctly.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#8589 Postby wxman57 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:04 pm

New meteogram from the 12Z GFS for the D-FW area. It's indicating a few light freezes the first week of March but nothing significant the weekend of March 1-2. That's not to say you can now trust that the GFS has the right solution, it just points out the extreme variability from run to run in the GFS. The Euro has been a bit more consistent in keeping most of the cold air north and east of Texas. 12Z EC deterministic has a low down to 27-28 in Dallas-Ft. Worth on March 1st and 32 on March 2nd. Ensembles have brief cold reaching TX on March 1-2 then gradual warming as the cold air retreats to the east.

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#8590 Postby Ntxw » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:17 pm

The good news is that California will be getting some rain. Usually that puts us in line next, likely resulting from the SOI dip that began last week. Split flow in the NE Pacific is a good sign, look for a storm to be suppressed next week crossing from Cal-TX-Carolinas type track late next week. Severe weather doesn't look to good because there's virtually no instability, but long way to go still.

Beyond truncation Ensembles keep the Aleutian low going and PV over North America. Small hints of possible -NAO may try to get going past first week of March and the AO to dive in tandem.

CFSv2 today sends the core of the cold down the Great Plains vs over the Great lakes. You better watch it with that omega block, it's not an an open 5h high.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#8591 Postby ravyrn » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:23 pm

I found a link @ NOAA site that puts the National Snow Analyses as an overlay on Google Earth.

Check this out!
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#8592 Postby Lagreeneyes03 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:06 pm

wxman57 wrote:New meteogram from the 12Z GFS for the D-FW area. It's indicating a few light freezes the first week of March but nothing significant the weekend of March 1-2. That's not to say you can now trust that the GFS has the right solution, it just points out the extreme variability from run to run in the GFS. The Euro has been a bit more consistent in keeping most of the cold air north and east of Texas. 12Z EC deterministic has a low down to 27-28 in Dallas-Ft. Worth on March 1st and 32 on March 2nd. Ensembles have brief cold reaching TX on March 1-2 then gradual warming as the cold air retreats to the east.

http://home.comcast.net/~cgh57/dfwgfsx12zfeb20.gif


Doesn't seem like much of a warming as the temps go down again and stay well below normal for that whole week according to this meteogram. Ick, I love snow but I'm done with winter. I'm with you, bring the heat. If there's no snow, any temp below 60 is wasted.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#8593 Postby TheProfessor » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:42 pm

Lagreeneyes03 wrote:
wxman57 wrote:New meteogram from the 12Z GFS for the D-FW area. It's indicating a few light freezes the first week of March but nothing significant the weekend of March 1-2. That's not to say you can now trust that the GFS has the right solution, it just points out the extreme variability from run to run in the GFS. The Euro has been a bit more consistent in keeping most of the cold air north and east of Texas. 12Z EC deterministic has a low down to 27-28 in Dallas-Ft. Worth on March 1st and 32 on March 2nd. Ensembles have brief cold reaching TX on March 1-2 then gradual warming as the cold air retreats to the east.

http://home.comcast.net/~cgh57/dfwgfsx12zfeb20.gif


Doesn't seem like much of a warming as the temps go down again and stay well below normal for that whole week according to this meteogram. Ick, I love snow but I'm done with winter. I'm with you, bring the heat. If there's no snow, any temp below 60 is wasted.


What this looks like to me is that if the models are under doing the cold by 5-10 degrees. Then we might be looking at an ice/snow event that could last for entire week. That would be remarkable for march and would be the bride and groom needed to top off what has already been an unusually cold winter.
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#8594 Postby Ntxw » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:26 pm

Just look at how in a matter of a few days it has gotten much colder on the models (specifically GEFS on this), yet aren't even in range yet for them to see the real cold.

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Roughly the same period

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Is that not crazy or what? From below normal to very, very cold

I suspect the blocking over NW NA will end up even stronger thus an even bigger push as the event draws closer.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#8595 Postby Texas Snowman » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:34 pm

As Wxman57 reminded a few days ago, when it is cold in Alaska, it usually isn't cold here.

But when it's warm in Alaska... :D

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#8596 Postby SaskatchewanScreamer » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:48 pm

and did you Tireman have your nose in the books all today??? :cheesy:

btw I'd swear one or more of your cohorts takes over your account at times!!! :P
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#8597 Postby vbhoutex » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:11 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:The storms went all around me here in College Station. Oh well. Nice to see the towering cumulus clouds again. I'm more optimistic for next week.

Had some developing severe move across my area of W. Houston with some strong (and weird)CG. Looks like about 0.50" of rain. The strange cg hit about 1/4 mile from me and then it apparently jumped across 4 more light poles or similar with 4 more VERY LOUD reports of thunder. Never seen it do that before.
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#8598 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:30 pm

.27 of rain here today. I'll take it.
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#8599 Postby TheProfessor » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:19 pm

0.00 inches of rain today! :D

Thats not going to cut it! :x
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#8600 Postby Ntxw » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:42 pm

What a fun run of the GFS huh? Big ridge in Alaska and storms digging into the west coast. Classic look dragging that trough east back southwest, usually spells mischief. Got to love southwest lows spinning behind cold air masses.
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