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#1081 Postby aggiecutter » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:24 pm

[quote="gatorcane"]This low here that the 12Z ECMWF is showing by days 9 and 10 could be wintry event situation with all the cold air around. It's in the long-range though:

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If those maps were to verify, that would be a classic deep East Texas-Dixie Alley severe weather outbreak. You could have blizzard conditions in Oklahoma City, while at the same-time having tornado warnings in Lufkin and College Station. This is not uncommon in November during El Nino years.
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#1082 Postby gboudx » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:29 pm

https://www.facebook.com/wfaa.steve.mcc ... nt_count=1

Steve McCauley's Stat Method rejects the euros heavy dump of snow for this weekend.
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#1083 Postby weatherdude1108 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:33 pm

Haboob headed towards panhandle:

"@NWSLubbock: Cold front is now entering the Texas Panhandle with a well developed #Haboob. #lubwx Lubbock arrival ~10pm #txwx"
http://t.co/RkqhKh9Syr
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1084 Postby iorange55 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:50 pm

gboudx wrote:https://www.facebook.com/wfaa.steve.mccauley/photos/a.304333909588562.71277.301993833155903/879661982055749/?type=1&relevant_count=1

Steve McCauley's Stat Method rejects the euros heavy dump of snow for this weekend.


That's okay. I think next week looks more interesting. In fact, I didn't even realize the Euro predicted that last night. I guess I was also out grabbing lunch.
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#1085 Postby gboudx » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:15 pm

From Jeff:

Big changes on the way!

Major upper air pattern shift resulting in a surge of very cold arctic air. To give an idea of the temperature change with this front Denver this afternoon was 16 with moderate snow behind the boundary while Gage, OK was 86. Front has roared into the panhandle where Dumas, TX has fallen to 40 with N winds gusting to 52mph and a wind chill of 27 while Childress, TX is 73.

Front will plow across the state overnight with cold air pouring southward. Front will blast off the coast by Tuesday afternoon with temperatures tumbling from the mid 70’s ahead of the boundary into the lower 50’s behind the boundary. Strong cold air advection and falling temperatures along with gusty winds will drop wind chills into the 40’s by Tuesday afternoon. This will certainly be a shock given the warmth today. Moisture looks fairly meager ahead of the boundary, but just enough may be in place to produce a thin band of showers. Front should reach CLL around 900am, metro Houston around 1100am and off the coast by early afternoon. North winds will increase into the 20-30mph range behind the boundary. For those that have lived here long enough….this will classify as a “blue norther”.

Still looking at a period of weak overrunning low Wednesday which may keep some clouds over the region and hold daytime highs in the 40’s to near 50 along the coast on Wednesday.

Polar high anchors over the plains with bitter cold air mass for November standards. Temperatures across the plains will run as much as 25-35 degrees below normal for daytime highs. For example OKC will have a high on Thursday of only near 40 when the normal high is 65. To give an idea of the historic standing of this cold outbreak: Minneapolis, MN is currently forecast to go 13 days straight below freezing for daytime highs, with the previous record being 16 days all the way back in 1880.

Friday Morning:
Given the gravity of the incoming air mass and the tendency for model guidance to under forecast the intensity of cold arctic air masses a potential killing freeze is appearing more likely for Friday morning. With polar high pressure building overhead Thursday night and skies clearing and winds becoming light, temperatures will radiate toward the dewpoint. Dewpoints will likely bottom out in the 20’s on Thursday afternoon and latest GFS guidance is now showing 32 for IAH, 26 for Conroe, and 29 for CLL for Friday morning. Given the colder and colder guidance a widespread freeze along and north of I-10 is starting to become possible for Friday. In fact guidance is even suggesting a freeze north of HWY 105 for Thursday morning. A freeze watch and warning will likely be needed for parts of the area possibly Thursday morning and for a larger part of the area Friday morning.

Take the opportunity on Tuesday to prepare for the cold weather including the needed freeze protections for the first freeze of the winter.

Weekend:
Fast moving yet potent upper air disturbance will come crashing into the cold air mass from the west. Air mass will be unable to modify much with moisture pouring into the surface cold dome. Overrunning clouds will rapidly increase early Saturday with rain developing and spreading across the region Saturday night into Sunday. Highs may be hard pressed to warm much in the 50’s on Saturday as clouds increase from morning lows in the 30’s. Air mass will saturate from top down during the day and thickness profiles and dewpoints suggest all liquid precipitation across SE TX for Saturday night. ECMWF and CMC are the most aggressive model guidance with rain chances at the moment and will lean toward those solutions with support from CPC discussions. Think guidance is too warm on Sunday with coastal low moving across the NW Gulf toward LA coast and clouds, rain, fog over SE TX. GFS is showing a high of 68 at IAH, but I am not sure if we will be anywhere close to that number unless a warm front attempts to move inland.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1086 Postby ronyan » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:24 pm

0z GFS has the freeze line very near Houston +84hrs.

The front is through Lubbock now and racing South at 30-35 mph.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1087 Postby somethingfunny » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:48 am

ronyan wrote:
somethingfunny wrote:Is the front speeding up like normal? I had been hearing 6am FROPA and now I'm reading 3am. If you're working a late shift or something and you'll be away from home until 2am, I would be wary of the front timing and being the heavy coat just in case.

When that front gets here, well know it. Windchill may be in the 20s by sunrise. :cold:


According to my admittedly unscientific measurements, the front has progressed South about 200 mi in the past 6 hours and is located near Dalhart, TX. This would put it in Dallas metro between 1-2am, faster if the front is speeding up.

On second thought this only factors in the straight South component of movement so 3am may be a good estimate for Dallas as it is further East.


FWD update:

MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE PREVIOUS TAF PACKAGE FOR THE
06Z ISSUANCE. THE COLD FRONT HAS ACCELERATED THIS EVENING AND IS
NOW MOVING AT ABOUT 35 MPH. AT THAT SPEED IT SHOULD REACH THE
METROPLEX TERMINALS BETWEEN 07Z AND 08Z AND WACO AROUND 0930Z.
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#1088 Postby TheProfessor » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:26 am

The front is crossing Wise county right now and is beginning to enter Denton County.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1089 Postby Brent » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:07 am

That was insane. This Alabama guy isn't used to fropa's like that... lol... and now the wind has been howling on and off for a half hour
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#1090 Postby Ralph's Weather » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:27 am

Front is making it into Terrell now. At 40 mph it will be to my place in Lindale in less than 2 hours. Doubt we get any rain out of this though areas to my southeast could see some later today with the front. Right now SHV is expecting all rain with the weekend and early week moisture next week. II think this will be the case, but you never quite know how Arctic air will behave.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1091 Postby JDawg512 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:24 am

Front is now moving into northwest Travis County. I expect the wind shift here in south Austin around or just before 5 a.m. give or take. Time to get out the extra blanket. :cold:
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#1092 Postby gpsnowman » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:59 am

Man, that wind feels refreshing. Quite a change from yesterday. 43 on the car thermometer on the way to work. :cold: :cold:
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#1093 Postby weatherdude1108 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:01 am

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5:57AM: Wind shift just came through. EWX office mentioned an initial gravity wave on FB. Was completely still outside, then could hear trees swaying in distance and wind against window. Wind paused after that initial wind shift. EWX said actual front with stronger winds coming after that. Here is a quote from he EWX office from their FB page at 6:20AM:

With passage of the gravity wave at the NWS office here in New Braunfels, wind turned from the Northwest 20 mph gusts 26 mph for about 10-15 min, and are now back down to 5 mph. Leading edge just now reaching San Antonio.

Aviation discussion:

000
FXUS64 KEWX 111129
AFDEWX

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO TX
529 AM CST TUE NOV 11 2014

.UPDATE...UPDATE FOR 12Z AVIATION BELOW.

&&

.AVIATION...INITIAL WIND SHIFT TO THE NW WITH GRAVITY WAVE...JUST
AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT...HAS MOVED THROUGH AUS AND WILL BE MOVING
THROUGH SAT/SSF/DRT 12Z-13Z. SOME PATCHY MVFR VISIBILITIES IN BR
POSSIBLE AT SSF/DRT AHEAD OF THE WIND SHIFT. BKN MVFR CEILINGS
POSSIBLE BEHIND THE WIND SHIFT THROUGH AROUND 15Z. STRONGER WINDS
WITH ACTUAL FRONT LAGGING JUST BEHIND...AND WILL INCREASE TO 15-20
KTS 14Z-15Z. OCCASIONAL GUSTS 25-30 KTS POSSIBLE THROUGH 21Z.
WINDS DIMINISH TO 10-15 KTS AFTER SUNSET.
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#1094 Postby Ralph's Weather » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:30 am

Down to 49 here from 65 about an hour ago.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1095 Postby opticsguy » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:50 am

This "gravity wave" isn't really baroclinic flow, since isotherms and isobars are nearly parallel. Is this the Coriolis effect causing the shallow cold air to turn right and accelerate?
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#1096 Postby iorange55 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:54 am

Fox 4's Evan Andrews on those crazy weather "enthusiasts"

https://www.facebook.com/EvanAndrewsFox ... 89/?type=1
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#1097 Postby texas1836 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:23 am

It was 66 when the front came through, making that our high. Dropped to 40 and now sitting at 41 in McKinney, and still with the windows open.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1098 Postby srainhoutx » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:35 am

Morning briefing from Jeff:

Strong arctic cold front slicing across TX this morning.



Prefrontal trough defined by a developing line of showers and winds turning to the NW is along a line from Lake Livingston to Conroe to Columbus. Actual arctic front with onset of significant cooling is just north of Austin. 700am temperatures range from 40 at Dallas with a north wind to 32mph to 67 at Brenham. Amarillo has fallen to 20 with a wind chill of 3 and Denver has reached 12 this morning so there is plenty of cold air pouring down the western high plains into TX.

Arctic front will race off the coast and will speed up timing just a little to show the boundary through College Station around 800-900am, metro Houston 1000-1100am and off the coast by noon-100pm. Temperatures will fall from the 70’s ahead of the front to the 50’s quickly behind the front with gusty north winds and cloudy skies. It will feel cold this afternoon.

Another change will be to hold on to mid and high level clouds most of Wednesday and into Thursday which will require lowering of afternoon highs both days. Highs may struggle to reach 50 on Wednesday and Thursday with cloud cover and cold air advection process continuing.

Freeze Potential:
00Z GFS guidance has come in its coldest yet showing dewpoints into the 10’s by Thursday afternoon over the area as the center of the large 1049mb arctic high slides into the central plains. GFS Friday morning lows suggest a freeze is possible north of I-10 with IAH showing 30, Conroe 24 and College Station 29. Much of this will depend on if and when the mid and high level cloud decks clear out. I am very wary of such pesky sub-tropical flow and its potential to keep cloud cover in place longer over the top of these shallow arctic air masses which can play havoc with low temperature forecasts. Average date of the first freeze for IAH is the first week of December and for CLL the last week of November, so if we do reach freezing late this week it will be about 3 weeks ahead of normal.

No big changes to the weekend since last night…still holding on to a cold and wet forecast especially late Saturday into Sunday. Guidance may finally be starting to get the idea that it is just not going to warm up with a coastal trough/low developing off the TX coast and moving toward LA. Will go with highs stuck in the 40’s Saturday with increasing clouds and developing rain and Sunday may not be much better.


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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1099 Postby TheProfessor » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:41 am

iorange55 wrote:Fox 4's Evan Andrews on those crazy weather "enthusiasts"

https://www.facebook.com/EvanAndrewsFox ... 89/?type=1


I disagree with his post, first of all most amateur don't have enough media access to cause a lot of damage when they try to predict weather, and I dislike his statement of being second and right, because as we saw with the Ice storm last year when they issued warnings very close to the event and gave people little time to really prepare. Now of course forecasters shouldn't go saying snow storm every time they a map shows snow, but being second and right can end up being a lot more dangerous to the public because that time spent making sure it's going to happen could be time spent for the public to prepare for potential hazardous weather,
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1100 Postby Janie2006 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:25 am

I really don't think he's referring to folks like us on S2K. There are some infamous examples of " enthusiasts" on FB and Twitter that will often attempt to trump pro mets and NWS with model runs and all too often the less-informed peeps will fall for it.

The front is moving quite rapidly. I'm thinking we may have fropa quicker than predicted.
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