2016 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to Day 16)

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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#581 Postby perk » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:50 pm

srainhoutx that was a great post about the obvious bias on this board for the Euro.Unfortunately it will be ignored in this forum.
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#582 Postby WPBWeather » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:58 pm

perk wrote:srainhoutx that was a great post about the obvious bias on this board for the Euro.Unfortunately it will be ignored in this forum.


Should we call a temporary "Brexit" from the Euro??
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#583 Postby tarheelprogrammer » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:20 pm

WPBWeather wrote:
perk wrote:srainhoutx that was a great post about the obvious bias on this board for the Euro.Unfortunately it will be ignored in this forum.


Should we call a temporary "Brexit" from the Euro??


All in favor of a Eurexit say I......

I :D
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#584 Postby hurricanehunter69 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:05 pm

I'd still bet on development in the W Carrib or gulf in the 1st 10 days of July. ( too lazy to support why)
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#585 Postby Hammy » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:25 pm

hurricanehunter69 wrote:I'd still bet on development in the W Carrib or gulf in the 1st 10 days of July. ( too lazy to support why)


Super long range model interestingly has for the last several days been indicating a storm originating either in the W Carib or Bahamas affecting the SE Coast around that time.
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#586 Postby TheStormExpert » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:26 pm

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hurricanehunter69 wrote:I'd still bet on development in the W Carrib or gulf in the 1st 10 days of July. ( too lazy to support why)


Super long range model interestingly has for the last several days been indicating a storm originating either in the W Carib or Bahamas affecting the SE Coast around that time.

Is it possible to post graphics?
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#587 Postby Hammy » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:41 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
Hammy wrote:
hurricanehunter69 wrote:I'd still bet on development in the W Carrib or gulf in the 1st 10 days of July. ( too lazy to support why)


Super long range model interestingly has for the last several days been indicating a storm originating either in the W Carib or Bahamas affecting the SE Coast around that time.

Is it possible to post graphics?


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/ ... RIOD=&WMO=

420 hours on Friday 00GMT run. I don't know if this does well with individual storms (timing/location/etc) but it can probably be a good indicator of steering patterns and it's been fairly consistent for weeks in showing something affecting the Southeast.
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#588 Postby stormwise » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:03 am

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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#589 Postby cycloneye » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:42 am

Levi Cowan ‏@TropicalTidbits · 2m2 minutes ago

The GFS vanishing act with GOM hurricane can be quantified with the trend of the last 9 runs. #KnowYourModelBias
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#590 Postby Frank2 » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:06 am

Models might be noticing the strong wave about to exit Africa - first of its strength this season....
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#591 Postby floridasun78 » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:09 pm

Hammy wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:
Hammy wrote:
Super long range model interestingly has for the last several days been indicating a storm originating either in the W Carib or Bahamas affecting the SE Coast around that time.

Is it possible to post graphics?


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/ ... RIOD=&WMO=

420 hours on Friday 00GMT run. I don't know if this does well with individual storms (timing/location/etc) but it can probably be a good indicator of steering patterns and it's been fairly consistent for weeks in showing something affecting the Southeast.

what i see that show hurr close peck part of season that when we likely see hurr coming from far Atlantic crossing from Africa to Bahama area
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#592 Postby JaxGator » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:03 pm

Hammy wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:
Hammy wrote:
Super long range model interestingly has for the last several days been indicating a storm originating either in the W Carib or Bahamas affecting the SE Coast around that time.

Is it possible to post graphics?


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/ ... RIOD=&WMO=

420 hours on Friday 00GMT run. I don't know if this does well with individual storms (timing/location/etc) but it can probably be a good indicator of steering patterns and it's been fairly consistent for weeks in showing something affecting the Southeast.


Though I take this with a grain of salt, I thought it would be interesting to add that the Farmer's Almanac predicts a Florida hurricane threat early to mid-July. I thought that was ironic given the MJO and favorable Kelvin Wave arriving at the same time and those models (CFS mainly) showing a possible MDR storm at that time. Of course it could come from the West Crib too. Just a thought IF it pans out.
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#593 Postby Hammy » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:22 pm

JaxGator wrote:
Hammy wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:Is it possible to post graphics?


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/ ... RIOD=&WMO=

420 hours on Friday 00GMT run. I don't know if this does well with individual storms (timing/location/etc) but it can probably be a good indicator of steering patterns and it's been fairly consistent for weeks in showing something affecting the Southeast.


Though I take this with a grain of salt, I thought it would be interesting to add that the Farmer's Almanac predicts a Florida hurricane threat early to mid-July. I thought that was ironic given the MJO and favorable Kelvin Wave arriving at the same time and those models (CFS mainly) showing a possible MDR storm at that time. Of course it could come from the West Crib too. Just a thought IF it pans out.


If I recall correctly, and quite interesting if so, they also predicted a "hurricane threat" months out around the time Erika was headed in Florida's direction--the only thing that stopped it was the massive wall of shear that seems nonexistent this year.
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#594 Postby stormwise » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:28 pm

I maybe mistaken but was Erika the storm that crashed in the islands and decoupled.
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#595 Postby RL3AO » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:30 pm

Shear...Hispaniola. Same thing. :lol:
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#596 Postby JaxGator » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:50 pm

Humm. That is interesting. The wall of shear is gone. It's been low across the Atlantic and MDR lately too. Erika's forward speed didn't help her either I believe but mainly shear (which most likely won't be much of a problem this year).

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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#597 Postby tarheelprogrammer » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:56 pm

Models are very very quiet. Seems like good conditions predicted in the future but nothing spins up. The models have been too aggressive so far this season so it may be a sign that things will be quiet for awhile. Let us hope they are right. Also, I do not trust the CFS when it comes to storm prediction it is a model that is supposed to show environment into the very late future. Correct? Either way my prediction of an early July hurricane seems dumb now. :lol:
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#598 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:04 pm

Don't worry, the gfs will come back to its senses In a couple of days and provide plenty of entertainment. Miami and new Orleans will probably be in its cross hairs for a few days in the 300+ hr :D
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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#599 Postby JaxGator » Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:31 pm

I've heard that the CFS is only used for that purpose (sensing weather patterns). I know that GFS and Euro are the most trustworthy. I'm not in any model camp (yet) but I just wait and see what happens and go from there.

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Re: 2016 Global Model Runs Discussion

#600 Postby tarheelprogrammer » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:11 pm

JaxGator wrote:I've heard that the CFS is only used for that purpose (sensing weather patterns). I know that GFS and Euro are the most trustworthy. I'm not in any model camp (yet) but I just wait and see what happens and go from there.

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Letting nature take its course. Indeed a wise decision. Models are not always right even inside of 3 days but within 5 days they are usually pretty good. Anything outside of 5 days is hit or miss.
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