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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

#1241 Postby ronyan » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:35 am

Steve wrote:Exciting and dangerous days ahead for many of you along the TX and SW LA coasts. Chiming in from the pro-side, Joe B focused much of his morning video on Harvey (though he drew a parallel with a setup in mid-September 1967 with Beulah and the D storm off the Outer Banks).

He said they'd be releasing their track later today on social media that they released to clients early this morning. He says possibly a couple of feet of rain along the TX Coast and then Cat 1 or 2 on a run to the middle TX Coast and then a crawl northward where it's still maybe just in SW LA on Tuesday. They're calling for a multi-billion dollar storm. That would be pretty impressive for most Cat 1's (or even 2's). I don't have any real disagreement with what he says, but I don't really have an idea on damage estimates because Harvey can ultimately be anything from a tropical storm to a Cat 3. It's not the model thread, but the 06GFS has the center later on crossing over me and Lake Pontchartrain. Some of the pumps here are fixed, but many are out because you can't just go to the store to buy the parts. I'm not personally worried about the usual hurricane supplies here. I'm more concerned with street/car flooding. So I'll probably hit the grocery tomorrow or Friday evening and just get some generic stuff in case we need it and then continue to monitor. If a hurricane threat (vs. remnant storm threat) is apparent at any point for SELA, I'll adjust accordingly.

But y'all down from Brownsville to on up the TX Coast ought to have everything you need. The rush will just get worse and worse and worse. Don't sleep on provisions and supplies early.


I stocked up yesterday morning, we may end up having the most rain close to here. I think the damage estimate is based solely on flooding potential at this point. If this drops a lot of rain on Houston it wouldn't be hard to get to multi-billion figures. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

#1242 Postby sphelps8681 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:41 am

Got mine yesterday. Just a few more odds and ins and I will be set.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

#1243 Postby tailgater » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:43 am

A little drier air to the west that it may have to deal with for a while and some light SW shear along being rather broad and a little elongated will hopefully keep him from intensifying to much before landfall.
A year filled with rather small storms thus far. Harvey looks like he'll be one of those storms that encompass the entire gulf. North and south outflow channels seem to setting up.
Buckle up, looks like another tough timing issue track and strength forecast.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

#1244 Postby stormlover2013 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:45 am

goes satellite showing its getting its act together
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

#1245 Postby ROCK » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:45 am

not me but will later....wow what a few hours make..its is getting extremely well defined at a rapid rate. That's SLIDER says it all I need to know.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

#1246 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:45 am

tailgater wrote:A little drier air to the west that it may have to deal with for a while and some light SW shear along being rather broad and a little elongated will hopefully keep him from intensifying to much before landfall.
A year filled with rather small storms thus far. Harvey looks like he'll be one of those storms that encompass the entire gulf. North and south outflow channels seem to setting up.
Buckle up, looks like another tough timing issue track and strength forecast.
My opinions only, check with NHC and local authorities.
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IMGUR is a great site.

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

#1247 Postby Steve » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:46 am

ronyan wrote:
Steve wrote:Exciting and dangerous days ahead for many of you along the TX and SW LA coasts. Chiming in from the pro-side, Joe B focused much of his morning video on Harvey (though he drew a parallel with a setup in mid-September 1967 with Beulah and the D storm off the Outer Banks).

He said they'd be releasing their track later today on social media that they released to clients early this morning. He says possibly a couple of feet of rain along the TX Coast and then Cat 1 or 2 on a run to the middle TX Coast and then a crawl northward where it's still maybe just in SW LA on Tuesday. They're calling for a multi-billion dollar storm. That would be pretty impressive for most Cat 1's (or even 2's). I don't have any real disagreement with what he says, but I don't really have an idea on damage estimates because Harvey can ultimately be anything from a tropical storm to a Cat 3. It's not the model thread, but the 06GFS has the center later on crossing over me and Lake Pontchartrain. Some of the pumps here are fixed, but many are out because you can't just go to the store to buy the parts. I'm not personally worried about the usual hurricane supplies here. I'm more concerned with street/car flooding. So I'll probably hit the grocery tomorrow or Friday evening and just get some generic stuff in case we need it and then continue to monitor. If a hurricane threat (vs. remnant storm threat) is apparent at any point for SELA, I'll adjust accordingly.

But y'all down from Brownsville to on up the TX Coast ought to have everything you need. The rush will just get worse and worse and worse. Don't sleep on provisions and supplies early.


I stocked up yesterday morning, we may end up having the most rain close to here. I think the damage estimate is based solely on flooding potential at this point. If this drops a lot of rain on Houston it wouldn't be hard to get to multi-billion figures. Let's hope that doesn't happen.


Good move and without the hassle and b.s. everyone is going to increasingly encounter until even stale white bread is off the shelves. I agree that most of the damage would be based on a massive area of 12"+ rainfall pretty much across the eastern 1/3 of TX and then across Central LA* into the Westerlies. There likely will be a lot of coastal damage as well to camps/boats/low lying communities and such. You could see a few feet of storm surge and tidal flooding out of this depending on how strong it gets obviously. But yeah, most of the damage should come from flooding courtesy of torrential rainfall. I mean for the ECMWF to estimate portions of the TX Coast greater than 2 feet, you just have to shake your head.

* for the people in Southern LA north of the Lake, you know what happens when all the rivers swell up. Last year, they filled so much the water just washed down in a lot of places like a sheet because there was too much. Hopefully whenever this goes by (per 06 GFS run anyway), it will be moving faster. I don't know.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Models

#1248 Postby NDG » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:53 am

I feel a little better (for myself) after last night's GFS and Euro runs shifted east, staying away from San Antonio, where I have to fly to on Sunday afternoon for a very important event I have to attend for work. I was starting to get worried that flights would had been getting canceled if the COC was to park itself near San Antonio Saturday-Sunday, but is starting to look more likely that the heaviest rains and bad wx will stay east of S.A.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

#1249 Postby Nederlander » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:57 am

Must be a big headache at the NHC right about now. I am looking forward to the 10AM disco. Hopefully recon data will help the models come to a better consensus.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

#1250 Postby ronyan » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:59 am

It's times like this I'm glad my house sits 6-7 feet above street level, may need every inch for this one if some of the rainfall forecasts materialize. Everyone on TX coast should get supplies together quickly, media will go nuts shortly if this continues to get its act together and strengthen.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

#1252 Postby gatorcane » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:01 am

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

#1253 Postby ROCK » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:02 am

Nederlander wrote:Must be a big headache at the NHC right about now. I am looking forward to the 10AM disco. Hopefully recon data will help the models come to a better consensus.


models have ingested the GI missions from last night and I think they are running some today. Models will be in very good agreement I think soon..they are getting closer already and we don't have these wild swings. We are talking 84hrs out or less....the forecast error is closing in...
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion-Advisories at 10 AM CDT

#1254 Postby NDG » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:03 am

Harvey is getting organized by the minute this morning, quicker than models were showing last night. IMO.

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#1255 Postby ROCK » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:06 am

this is a classic shape of forming TC....not the sloppy crap we have been seeing..unfortunately this is going to be bad for someone...
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#1256 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:14 am

Yeah I am a bit surprised at how well this looks and seems to be organizing this morning. Hopefully it doesn't go too crazy. I'm still concerned about it moving more slowly westward into texas, which would give the high more time to build in for the block and in turn send it back ese into the gulf. Of course that would mean more time over water before it comes our way.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#1257 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:15 am

REcon showing the center getting pulled around.. it needs a good solid convective burst and this will start to take off.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#1258 Postby ScottNAtlanta » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:24 am

Aric Dunn wrote:REcon showing the center getting pulled around.. it needs a good solid convective burst and this will start to take off.

Where are you getting recon data? GE isnt showing any and I havent been able to get it off the web either :?:
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#1259 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:26 am

ScottNAtlanta wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:REcon showing the center getting pulled around.. it needs a good solid convective burst and this will start to take off.

Where are you getting recon data? GE isnt showing any and I havent been able to get it off the web either :?:



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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Remnants - Discussion

#1260 Postby nativefloridian » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:29 am

Just saw this: "NHC will be re-initiating advisories at 10 AM CDT on Tropical Depression Harvey, located over the southwestern Gulf of Mexico."
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