ATL: NATE - Post Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1281 Postby GBPackMan » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:50 pm

taveanator wrote:
Bamagirl2408 wrote:Don't blast me. I am just going to throw out there what an average joe (or in my case Jane) thinks. Hurricane watch just extended to Escambia. New Orleans to Pensacola landfall is 200 miles. 4 states. I just want to think in 2017 we are better than that 36 miles out. When you cancel trips, make preps, no one wants damage but you also get aggrevated when you start to think it is for nothing.


I think you also have to take into account the speed at which the storm is moving, and how far away it is from the Gulf Coast (I'm assuming you meant 36 hours, not miles, out). A slower moving storm would give us a lot more model runs and more time to predict an accurate landfall. Right now I'm on the fence about canceling a trip to Destin with my wife & kids, so I know exactly what you are talking about as far as uncertainty is concerned.


Due to the sheer speed, the path has a much smaller cone by comparison to others like Irma that had a much wider cone past 24 hours. Based on what I am seeing, the hurricane force winds even as a Cat 1 would be limited to a very small area of 30-50 miles, and TS out maybe 100 miles. Even with landfall east of current projected path, closer to Mobile, AL, that puts Destin (my area) on the very edge of the TS winds.
Although due to the lack of organization and speed of this storm, I believe it will be some rain and a little storm surge, nothing close to past storms in this area (in my signature). Basically a rainy day Sunday with remnants moving out Monday morning. Also need to remember that a normal summer thunderstorm in this area can pop up and dump over 3" of rain across the western panhandle, and it is business as usual, so I doubt much difference with this. Putting a name on a storm doesn't make it worse than what we see on a regular basis.
Even if it makes the eastern turn earlier and makes landfall in the panhandle, the minor area of hurricane force winds and rain will still be very minor (by comparison).
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1282 Postby tolakram » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:50 pm

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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1283 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:51 pm

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pretty sure he meant because of its forward speed.. both IRMA ans MAria were moving slow..


Does speed matter either? Charley was going about 20mph when it made its unexpected early turn.


yes it does.. and charley didn't make a SHARP turn..


This isn't going to make a sharp turn either. A 10 degree change in direction means the difference between New Orleans and Pensacola.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1284 Postby BYG Jacob » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:53 pm

Kinda looks like a proto eyewall developing on sat

Edit: actually that looks more like the MLC and LLC not being completely aligned yet.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1285 Postby BB79 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:53 pm

Just curious if it's possible for Nate to absorb that North/South oriented area of convection located east of it currently and would that also add to a possible RI phase? It appears that area of t-storms and convection continues to move closer and closer to the main area of Nate's circulation
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1286 Postby BYG Jacob » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:55 pm

BB79 wrote:Just curious if it's possible for Nate to absorb that North/South oriented area of convection located east of it currently and would that also add to a possible RI phase? It appears that area of t-storms and convection continues to move closer and closer to the main area of Nate's circulation

Yes and yes. Nate won't absorb all of it, but he will add at least some of that to his circulation.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1287 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:55 pm

GOES-16 appears to have an eye like fetute developing. Also, no name low seems to be moving west rather quickly.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1288 Postby bella_may » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:56 pm

BB79 wrote:Just curious if it's possible for Nate to absorb that North/South oriented area of convection located east of it currently and would that also add to a possible RI phase? It appears that area of t-storms and convection continues to move closer and closer to the main area of Nate's circulation


Jim Cantore mentioned this happening yesterday. Looks like it might miss the Yucatán all together. If shear stays low this should intensify
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1289 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:56 pm

Also remember - a track farther east - along 87-88°W instead of 89-90°W - places the storm squarely in the Loop Current, as opposed to over cooler eddies.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1290 Postby NDG » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:56 pm

I can definitely say that it looks like Nate is developing a core now, convection is right along the W & S quadrant trying to feel in on the rest of the quadrants.

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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1291 Postby tolakram » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:00 pm

Moving awfully fast, will be interesting to see if this has time enough to consolidate into something more than a high end TS or low end Hurricane.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1292 Postby Raebie » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:01 pm

Just give me a bunch of rain and Nate will be a resounding success.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1293 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:03 pm

tolakram wrote:Moving awfully fast, will be interesting to see if this has time enough to consolidate into something more than a high end TS or low end Hurricane.


yeah forward motion tends to lead to problems establishing a core as the LLC keeps out running the convection( shear but more self induced/ low level ) .. if it can deepen now than the likelyhood of maintaining hurricane strength through 24 hours before environment becomes more condusive increases.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1294 Postby bella_may » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:03 pm

NDG wrote:I can definitely say that it looks like Nate is developing a core now, convection is right along the W & S quadrant trying to feel in on the rest of the quadrants.

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There's a little bit of dry air just to the east but as it reaches the gulf it won't have that problem
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1295 Postby Dave C » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:06 pm

Seems like that convection to the east is dying off and spitting out outflow boundries. Should decrease the energy being taken away from Nate.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1296 Postby txwatcher91 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:09 pm

Nate is wrapping up quite nicely now and well on his way to becoming a hurricane. The fast speed may be the only hindrance for Nate but I don't expect it will be a big problem. A solid cat 2 or low 3 is certainly possible if trends continue. DMAX tonight will be important for this storm.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1297 Postby emeraldislenc » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:13 pm

Really looks like it is getting better organized do y'all think the wind speed will go up at 5?
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1298 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:15 pm

emeraldislenc wrote:Really looks like it is getting better organized do y'all think the wind speed will go up at 5?


not likely without recon out there.
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1299 Postby Blown Away » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:21 pm

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LLC still exposed except for last few frames and Nate is accelerating faster than forecasted and is almost at the 00z point... Moving >21 mph and seems to be out running the convection at times... Moderate TS seems the most likely outcome, JMHO...
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Re: ATL: NATE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1300 Postby Kazmit » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:21 pm

Strange to think this will already be onshore by tomorrow night. It's going to have to get its act together very quickly.
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