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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4881 Postby South Texas Storms » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:27 pm

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South Texas Storms wrote:0z Canadian has a winter storm across north TX early next week.

GFS actually looks pretty similar.


Looks like some STJ and cold funneled by the parent HP as the air is settled in from the weekend.


Yeah this set up would be nice if it verified.

The pattern just keeps reloading like you've mentioned. It's almost the exact opposite of the past few winters. Instead of the cold always being 2 weeks away, now it's the warmth.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4882 Postby orangeblood » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:32 pm

Ntxw wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote:0z Canadian has a winter storm across north TX early next week.

GFS actually looks pretty similar.


Looks like some STJ and cold funneled by the parent HP as the air is settled in from the weekend.


Figuring out the noise upstream in the Northeast Pacific is key...keep the PNA more towards neutral and we should have something decent to discuss this week. Don't want to get too greedy but we'll really have something to discuss if that S/W continues digging southwest
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4883 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:32 pm

orangeblood wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote:0z Canadian has a winter storm across north TX early next week.

GFS actually looks pretty similar.


Very similar to the Analog I mentioned earlier today...New Years Eve 2000. GFS coming around to it as well


Nice call on the analog. It does look like it. Regardless if it happens or not, we have a lot of winter to look at the next week to week and a half. Warms ups pushed back again.

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4884 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:37 pm

Another arctic high building in Canada mid to late next week

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4885 Postby South Texas Storms » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:37 pm

:uarrow:
Wxman did promise yall some snow this year. Maybe next week north TX will get some.

I wouldn't mind another snow event here in south TX though. :cheesy:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4886 Postby orangeblood » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:40 pm

South Texas Storms wrote::uarrow:
Wxman did promise yall some snow this year. Maybe next week north TX will get some.

I wouldn't mind another snow event here in south TX though. :cheesy:


If that S/W can dig more towards El Paso, that's how you could get a more widespread event maybe even down your way
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4887 Postby orangeblood » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:42 pm

Ntxw wrote:Another arctic high building in Canada mid to late next week



PV coming to pay a visit into the lower 48
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4888 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:43 pm

GFS basically has DFW in the 30s and 40s all of next week. While this may not seem ungodly cold, this is suppose to be what everyone says should be a major "thaw"

Inkling may turn out to be right. Models just did not grasp the magnitude of the real cold up in Canada
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4889 Postby South Texas Storms » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:45 pm

orangeblood wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote::uarrow:
Wxman did promise yall some snow this year. Maybe next week north TX will get some.

I wouldn't mind another snow event here in south TX though. :cheesy:


If that S/W can dig more towards El Paso, that's how you could get a more widespread event maybe even down your way


That would be the ideal solution for sure. I like the trends in the 0z models tonight though. Curious to see what the Euro shows in a few hours.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4890 Postby Texas Snowman » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:53 pm

Y’all know you’re going to get Wxman57 all stirred up in the morning!

If he’s going back to his old Heat Miser ways, quite a rebuttal is forthcoming from Houston! :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4891 Postby Brent » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:05 am

South Texas Storms wrote:0z Canadian has a winter storm across north TX early next week.

GFS actually looks pretty similar.


hey I'll be back by then! :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4892 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:34 am

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:MJO is key here. Its rolling through 2 and 3, not a favorable phase for us. After that, i think we get back to a more favorable pattern.


Phases 2 and 3 are cold phases and mjo has been meandering in 2.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4893 Postby Brent » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:04 am

0z Euro appears to be a cold rain next Monday/Tuesday

meanwhile Chicago gets buried with a blizzard again on the day I'm supposed to leave. :lol: But its even worse to the east where feet of snow is projected...
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4894 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:52 am

Texas Snowman wrote:I fear Wxman57 is slipping back towards his alter ego (Heat Miser).

The one who trusts medium and long range model forecasts when they predict warmth.

And the same one who doesn’t trust medium and long range model forecasts when they predict cold and snow.

:D


Sorry, even though I now love the cold and snow, I can't be a wishcaster. I see things as they are, not as I'd like them to be. Looking beyond this week, that's an interesting setup next Tuesday in the 00Z GFS and CMC. Snow and ice across NE TX at 192 hrs. Euro says no short wave, though. Wouldn't rule it out yet (25% chance). Still trying to get the DFW area some snow.

Long-range EC ensembles cool things down from the Rockies west to the west coast and through western Canada beyond the 20th. Round 2 of winter begins by the end of this month.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4895 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:01 am

wxman57 wrote:
Texas Snowman wrote:I fear Wxman57 is slipping back towards his alter ego (Heat Miser).

The one who trusts medium and long range model forecasts when they predict warmth.

And the same one who doesn’t trust medium and long range model forecasts when they predict cold and snow.

:D


Sorry, even though I now love the cold and snow, I can't be a wonderful forecaster. I see things as they are, not as I'd like them to be. Looking beyond this week, that's an interesting setup next Tuesday in the 00Z GFS and CMC. Snow and ice across NE TX at 192 hrs. Euro says no short wave, though. Wouldn't rule it out yet (25% chance). Still trying to get the DFW area some snow.

Long-range EC ensembles cool things down from the Rockies west to the west coast and through western Canada beyond the 20th. Round 2 of winter begins by the end of this month.


Do you think if another Artic intrusion comes in that there will be a better snowpack this time around to allow less moderation of the air?
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4896 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:32 am

Euro has the event early next week, but a bit warmer than GFS and CMC.

Still seeing signs of Aleutian ridge loading W Can after the 20th. Might be unleashed on the Plains and Rockies
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4897 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:35 am

hamburgerman7070 wrote:
TeamPlayersBlue wrote:MJO is key here. Its rolling through 2 and 3, not a favorable phase for us. After that, i think we get back to a more favorable pattern.


Phases 2 and 3 are cold phases and mjo has been meandering in 2.


Yeah, the MJO has almost completely stalled out in Phase 2, completely defying all of the model guidance. This partially explains why they were so off in forecasting a big thaw, they don't have a clue how this MJO is propagating. The good news is that Phase 2, this time of year, is the most favorable for widespread cold across the US but big warmups typically ensue as you move into Phase 3/4

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4898 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:59 am

For the third day in a row SOI is double digit negative at -10
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4899 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:09 am

Ntxw wrote:For the third day in a row SOI is double digit negative at -10


Really interesting, we should be approaching El Nino base state 30 day average territory shouldn't we ?
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4900 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:12 am

orangeblood wrote:
Ntxw wrote:For the third day in a row SOI is double digit negative at -10


Really interesting, we should be approaching El Nino base state 30 day average territory shouldn't we ?


We should be. Its been predominantly negative this winter so far against the Nina base state. So when we see P3/4 this needs to be considered there is a mixed signal

It's like we are getting a cold Canada in a Nina background base state, but Nino like delivery from the Pacific side. Some years the delivery doesn't happen and cold is always bottled up north and we are zonal like 2011-2012
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