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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#401 Postby srainhoutx » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:58 am

1900hurricane wrote:Not surprised, the core weakened considerably as it approached San Antonio. It also stayed more to the south side of the city, at least initially when it was a little stronger. Some places in Medina County probably did get some hail though.

Lots of reports of pea to quarter size hail from Medina/Hondo on E to Kelly Field/Randolph AFB and just to the E of there via EWXchat.
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#402 Postby weatherdude1108 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:36 am

There was a post earlier from the EWX around 9:33am:
The public reported half-dollar, or 1.25 inch diameter hail, in Lacoste, or near Castroville, moving northeast at 35mph.

They originally thought Tennis ball size hail with that storm. I notice with "radar indicated" hail sizes that the radar-indicated size tends to be larger (much larger is some cases) in diameter than ground/field truth/verification. Sometimes they say grapefruit size, and it ends up being golfballs, etc. Or they say pea to marble size, and no hail field-verified.

I'm guessing once the updrafts can't support the hail growth process anymore (due to size and gravity), there is melting/evaporation/sublimation/disintegration that goes on in the area between where hail forms and where it hits the surface, due to friction through the air column, etc. Just a guess though. Need a meteorology student or pro met insight on that.
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#403 Postby TheProfessor » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:57 am

Wow, today is the 18th anniversary of the storm that started it all for me. It kind of amazes me that I can remember that day so vividly, yet I have no memory of 9/11(my mother must have done an insane job shielding my younger sister and I from it when it happened). I remember on that day my friend and her older sister were with my mom, baby sister, and I. It was a bit weird really, my friend’s sister felt off the whole day and was crying. When the storm actually happened(we were living in Arlington at the time) my family and my friends huddled into the bathroom. My parents bought our tv into the bathroom/closet(I can remember where it was at as I still remember the layout of the house, but I can’t remember if it was a bathroom or closet lol). My friend and I started dancing because we thought it was a party(I was only 3 and she was still 2). What I don’t remember is my parents told me they took me to see some of the damage later. I do remember asking if a house that was currently being built was broken lol.

Now, with the meteorology part of the day. There’s not near as much information on the day as some of our other outbreaks like the April 3rd 2012 outbreak, but there’s still some good info on the SPC archive page.
Now the SPC had a Moderate risk for extreme Southern Oklahoma and most of North Central Texas. Image When analyzing a storm system/date, it seems like most meteorologist like to start with the upper air charts and read from top to bottom. I personally like to start with the skew-t in past events. It’s kind of like a broad map that gives you an idea of the atmosphere on that day. Image Taking a quick glance at the 12z Skew-t it doesn’t instantly blow you out of the water, but if you look past the temperature inversion(which aren’t uncommon in the morning) The skew-t is very close to the Miller-I sounding aka “Loaded Gun”. Surface and midlevel winds are impressive speed wise, but there is some turning. Image Looking at the 0z sounding, we don’t get a full skew-T, however I believe the balloon only needs to reach 400mb to be considered a successful launch. Nonetheless, the temperature inversion is gone, the 850 level still had a low dewpoint depression and a warm temperature, while the 700mb level was dry(which is what you want in a loaded gun sounding). Surface winds are still fairly weak(especially for a significant tornado) but, there is some fairly impressive turning occurring at the surface, which was a likely cause of getting strong tornadoes. Unfortunately, we aren’t able to see the 300mb level and must look towards the upper level maps to see whether or not there was a jet streak.

Looking at the 0z 250 and 350mb chart there does appear to be a jet streak over Texas. Image Image
Adding in the 500mb chart looking at the 12z and 0z and boy does that ridge put a move on. Image Image It goes from the Texas Panhandle to just east of the DFW metroplex. The upper level charts show that there’s likely upper level divergence just west and around the metroplex. 700 and 850mb charts show a similar story to the 0z skew-t, however the 850 chart seems a bit weird to me. It show a temp of 16 degrees C and what I assume the dewpoint is at 12 degrees C(which would agree with the skew-t and also happens to be somewhat of a magic number for severe weather) but, from what I learned, 850 charts and any other non-surface charts use dewpoint depressions, but is seems like this map used a mixture.

To sum things up, this was an important weather date in DFW, though not a bunch of tornadoes, the ones that did occur were powerful. The parameters didn’t scream at you like some of the big tornadoes in Oklahoma or large scale outbreaks, but there was enough to come together at the right(or wrong time) likely including the LLJ that allowed for this event to happen. This event should be an example to take every severe weather threat seriously because there doesn’t need to be a bunch of tornadoes to make an event bad. It only takes one tornado to be in the wrong place and cause a loss of life and property.
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#404 Postby Haris » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:06 pm

Boy! Austin is sure making up the rain deficit! Downtown got 3.6” and airport for 5.6” ! I got 3.26 W of Austin
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#405 Postby weatherdude1108 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:23 pm

Haris wrote:Boy! Austin is sure making up the rain deficit! Downtown got 3.6” and airport for 5.6” ! I got 3.26 W of Austin


I need to look up my total later. I know it kept raining after I left for work. It was just shy of 3" when I left. I'll update later.
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#406 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:24 pm

srainhoutx wrote:
1900hurricane wrote:Not surprised, the core weakened considerably as it approached San Antonio. It also stayed more to the south side of the city, at least initially when it was a little stronger. Some places in Medina County probably did get some hail though.

Lots of reports of pea to quarter size hail from Medina/Hondo on E to Kelly Field/Randolph AFB and just to the E of there via EWXchat.


Flew to PHX this morning, we flew through the edge of this storm. I guess it was unavoidable for some reason, further north was clear but i could see the tops were WAY higher than we were (36,000ft.) Ive been through some EXTREME turbulence before for a very long time, going through that certainly was not fun. It was about 5 minutes of racking and sliding around. After that, it was smooth sailing though.

Flew through it around 845 is, flight aware data had white in the center of it. No bueno.
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#407 Postby 1900hurricane » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:35 pm

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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#408 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:59 pm

the trusty HRRR seems to DRENCH houston just before sunrise. The boundary doesnt seem to really move, but the storms keep on moving. We can handle 3" and hour about 90 minutes. After that, mayhem ensues. If HRRR plays out like this, i dont see it being a big ordeal, but we HAVE to be cautious. Two flood events in the last few years had zero rain predicted.
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#409 Postby weatherdude1108 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:36 pm



I like how that car in the background quickly approaches the water, thinking he may go for it. Then he stops right at the cross hairs edge.

That would be a good ad illustration for Turn around, don't drown! :wink:
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#410 Postby JDawg512 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:45 pm

4.27 inches fell at the Rain Cave. I'm satisfied...for now.....
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#411 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:09 pm

3.5 inches in SA over the past 24 hours! Oh yeah! I'm very happy and thankful :D
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#412 Postby weatherdude1108 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:40 pm

JDawg512 wrote:4.27 inches fell at the Rain Cave. I'm satisfied...for now.....


Wow! You take the record. I just got 3.2 inches. But I'm satisfied, and it is 65 degrees. :D
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#413 Postby weatherdude1108 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:41 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:3.5 inches in SA over the past 24 hours! Oh yeah! I'm very happy and thankful :D


Looks like another cell moving through there in SA(?). My brother in SA texted me radar image.
Where'd that come from?
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#414 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:46 pm

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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#415 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:45 pm

weatherdude1108 wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote:3.5 inches in SA over the past 24 hours! Oh yeah! I'm very happy and thankful :D


Looks like another cell moving through there in SA(?). My brother in SA texted me radar image.
Where'd that come from?


The main disturbance is triggering one final round of storms across the southern half of TX tonight. Looks like the activity should start winding down for south central TX in the next few hours.
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#416 Postby 1900hurricane » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:19 pm

At about 4" now. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to squeeze out one more inch tonight. Easily the most rainfall here since Harvey.
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#417 Postby Ralph's Weather » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:41 pm

I got right at 3 inches.
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#418 Postby 1900hurricane » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:05 am

Didn't quite make 5" (barely), ending up with 4.99" total.
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#419 Postby srainhoutx » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:28 am

Just emptied 4.62 inches of rain from my gage for 24 hours in NW Harris County.
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Re: Texas Spring 2018

#420 Postby gto67 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:18 am

Weimar got 3.5". Corn and hay fields a going to take off.
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